From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote. Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 20:06:43 +0300 Message-ID: <83mvo4h1ss.fsf@gnu.org> References: <7e599cf6-18c3-1633-33d5-e9f4eaa8fe6a@cs.ucla.edu> <20160502191031.GB2048@acm.fritz.box> <83a8k7kv87.fsf@gnu.org> <20160503162716.GB11330@acm.fritz.box> <831t5jkrn2.fsf@gnu.org> <20160503200330.GC11330@acm.fritz.box> <83twidj0tj.fsf@gnu.org> <20160504164849.GA31717@acm.fritz.box> <83d1p1iwls.fsf@gnu.org> <20160504180417.GB31717@acm.fritz.box> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462468123 22128 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2016 17:08:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 17:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23425@debbugs.gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 05 19:08:31 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMlJ-0005U1-EQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 19:08:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54502 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMlF-00082l-JO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:08:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52859) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMl7-0007ob-4Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:08:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMkv-00033n-E7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:08:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:56423) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMkv-00032v-B1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:08:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMks-0008Ln-03 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:08:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 17:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23425 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23425-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23425.146246802332031 (code B ref 23425); Thu, 05 May 2016 17:08:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23425) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2016 17:07:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40527 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMjv-0008KZ-Ie for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:07:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:32895) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMju-0008K4-8t for 23425@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:07:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMjZ-0002By-My for 23425@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:06:54 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49351) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMjX-00025Z-7S; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:06:41 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3667 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMjP-0001Sx-T2; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:06:32 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from John Wiegley on Wed, 04 May 2016 11:46:58 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117859 Archived-At: > From: John Wiegley > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23425@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 11:46:58 -0700 > > As maintainer, I'll go on record by saying that I very much dislike the new > curly quotes logic. I'm not a big fan of them, either. But this isn't about mine or yours or Paul's personal preferences. This is about the Emacs users out there. It is claimed that the majority wants these quotes, and that Emacs using `this quoting' is perceived as anything but modern, to put it mildly. There are those who claim the exact opposite: that the majority wants to remain with `this'. I imagine there's also those who don't care much either way, and have not spoken about this. How can we know which way is the truth, except by letting a larger group of users try that? I don't see any other practical way of doing that.