From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#25181: 25.1.90; move-beginning-of-line doesn't move point Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:05:39 +0200 Message-ID: <83mvfzbyr0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83d1gxccmg.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1481645179 8178 195.159.176.226 (13 Dec 2016 16:06:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 25181@debbugs.gnu.org To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 13 17:06:16 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGpan-0001Gm-Ah for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:06:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39182 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGpar-0008Bw-H5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:06:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55184) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGpag-0008BZ-1n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:06:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGpac-0005Xz-3p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:06:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:53729) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGpac-0005Xu-0d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:06:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGpab-0008NC-Ma for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:06:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25181 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 25181-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25181.148164515632175 (code B ref 25181); Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 25181) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2016 16:05:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40895 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGpaW-0008Mt-0m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:05:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35838) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGpaT-0008Mf-KN for 25181@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:05:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGpaK-0005Sz-C7 for 25181@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:05:48 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46739) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGpaK-0005St-8v; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:05:44 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2214 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cGpaJ-0002tu-Ql; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:05:44 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= on Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:25:32 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:126983 Archived-At: > Cc: 25181@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Andreas Röhler > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:25:32 +0100 > > >> (setq first-vis-field-value > >> (constrain-to-field first-vis orig (/= arg 1) t nil)) > >> > >> Here first-vis-field-value is set to orig, i.e. pos 16, where it jumps > >> back-to, not leaving point at BOL. > > I'm not sure I understood, but if I did, this is a feature: functions > > such as beginning-of-line stop moving at field boundaries. > > > > Hmm, is this reasonable? BOL is a very basic concept. Don't think it > should be permitted to be interfered with fields. The idea is that a Lisp program would use fields only when the produced effect is what the user would expect. You see this every day in action when you type "C-x C-f" and then C-a: point stops at the beginning of the default directory, without entering the "Find file:" prompt. Moving point to BOL in this case would be a nuisance. (You can still get to the beginning of line by other means, like C-b.) That's what fields are all about. If you don't want this effect, don't use fields; they are opt-in.