From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35887: 26.1; global-eldoc-mode minibuffer noise is very annoying Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 09:19:53 +0300 Message-ID: <83mujb3vjq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87sgt3k4w0.fsf@hysteria.proulx.com> <85tvdjd1gy.fsf@gmail.com> <20190524151617874644844@bob.proulx.com> <871s0n9su9.fsf@gmail.com> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="191161"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 35887@debbugs.gnu.org, bob@proulx.com To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 25 08:22:10 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQ4F-000nT0-Dt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 08:22:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36913 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQ4D-0008QS-Uc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:22:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50437) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQ42-0008QC-5b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:21:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQ3C-0000On-O4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:21:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:34458) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQ3C-0000OR-Ju for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:21:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQ3C-0003LW-DP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:21:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 06:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 35887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 35887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B35887.155876520312759 (code B ref 35887); Sat, 25 May 2019 06:21:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 35887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 May 2019 06:20:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48002 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQ2F-0003Jg-1h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:20:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35902) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQ2D-0003J8-AL for 35887@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:20:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55283) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQ28-000772-6m; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:19:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3771 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQ27-0006Wj-Nv; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:19:56 -0400 In-reply-to: <871s0n9su9.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Noam Postavsky on Fri, 24 May 2019 22:21:50 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:159743 Archived-At: > From: Noam Postavsky > Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 22:21:50 -0400 > Cc: 35887@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Please revert the default enabling of global-eldoc-mode. > > Hmm, well I like the current default. I find it handy when writing Lisp code, yes. > I find it annoying when I'm troubleshooting with 'emacs -Q' in older > Emacs versions that eldoc isn't enabled. I think "emacs -Q" should turn off both global-eldoc-mode and blink-cursor mode. But that's a different issue, IMO, which is worth a separate bug report. > Not really sure on what basis we could decide on the default (sometimes > people throw out the suggestion of polling the users, but I don't know > of any practical way of getting a representative sample). The only way to decide how many people find it annoying is to wait for more complaints. For now, we have only one, and that's not enough to decide to revert a feature. Sorry, Bob.