From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37811: "standard GNU Emacs Lisp" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:44:09 +0300 Message-ID: <83mudx6pee.fsf@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="4385"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 37811@debbugs.gnu.org To: Nicholas Drozd Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 19 11:45:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLlIN-00011h-De for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 11:45:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52012 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iLlIL-00083C-Gu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:45:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46775) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iLlIE-000833-VM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:45:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLlIE-0007Fo-1L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43174) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLlID-0007Fe-UG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:45:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLlID-0002Tn-Qf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:45:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37811 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 37811-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37811.15714782709474 (code B ref 37811); Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:45:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37811) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2019 09:44:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51995 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLlHi-0002Sk-6S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:44:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37592) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLlHf-0002SU-5i for 37811@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:44:29 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33954) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLlHZ-0006TH-VE; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:44:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4893 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iLlHY-0001BO-Vr; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:44:21 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Nicholas Drozd on Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:11:34 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:169727 Archived-At: > From: Nicholas Drozd > Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:11:34 -0500 > > Section 5.7 of the Elisp manual ("Using Lists as Sets") mentions > "standard GNU Emacs Lisp". This makes it sound like there is a > language standard, which is not the case. I suggest changing the word > "standard". Possible alternatives: "basic", "plain", "out-of-the-box". It would sound as if there's a standard if "Standard" was capitalized, which it isn't. The text is Common Lisp note: Common Lisp has functions ‘union’ (which avoids duplicate elements) and ‘intersection’ for set operations. Although standard GNU Emacs Lisp does not have them, the ‘cl-lib’ library provides versions. *Note (cl)Lists as Sets::. So "standard" is used here in contrast to CL. I don't think any of the proposed replacements pick up that nuance, do they? We could perhaps simply drop "standard", I think the text will be understood even without that, given that the reference to CL is so close.