From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50881: C-h C-s leads to empty " *Metahelp*" buffer Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 10:03:28 +0300 Message-ID: <83mtnuh7en.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y27fc31m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83pmsriopv.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee97gwfr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83wnmzgtf2.fsf@gnu.org> <874ka3dwgn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8149"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 50881@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 30 09:07:51 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVqAZ-0001vO-N4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:07:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37296 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVqAY-0004CK-P1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:07:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33786) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVq6s-0008Rv-OJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVq6s-0001sk-Dy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVq6s-0001ux-9O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:04:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 07:04:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50881 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50881-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50881.16329854227342 (code B ref 50881); Thu, 30 Sep 2021 07:04:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50881) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2021 07:03:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51266 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVq6X-0001uL-St for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:03:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56788) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVq6K-0001tt-Ly for 50881@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:03:40 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33552) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVq6D-0001NR-Hb; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:03:23 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3786 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVq6C-0005vQ-6d; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:03:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <874ka3dwgn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:20:10 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:215942 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 50881@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:20:10 +0300 > > > That's the problem with thinking your personal preferences are > > definitely good for everyone else. They aren't. > > This is not a personal preference. I looked through the eyes of > a beginner I don't think we can pretend to look at this through the eyes of a beginner. We are too far from that, all of us here. > who types 'C-h C-h' to get help, and the first thing > the user sees is that parens are highlighted on the first line: > > (Type or to scroll, C-s to search, or q to exit.) Yes, and I see no problem with this. So yes, it is personal preference of yours. Let's hear the beginners themselves when Emacs 28.1 hits the street. Until then, let's stand by our own decision: to enable this mode by default.