From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#62958: [PATCH] Set PAGER=cat in comint.el Date: Tue, 09 May 2023 21:58:06 +0300 Message-ID: <83mt2d9vsx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83edof6oln.fsf@gnu.org> <83zg724kea.fsf@gnu.org> <835y97jnfd.fsf@gnu.org> <83pm7aay70.fsf@gnu.org> <874jol1rml.fsf@catern.com> <831qjpbj8j.fsf@gnu.org> <83wn1ha220.fsf@gnu.org> <83sfc5a1ag.fsf@gnu.org> <83pm79a103.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24518"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: sbaugh@catern.com, 62958@debbugs.gnu.org To: Spencer Baugh Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 09 20:58:35 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pwSXj-0006Dh-KJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 May 2023 20:58:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pwSXE-0006hJ-HU; Tue, 09 May 2023 14:58:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pwSXC-0006h1-MP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2023 14:58:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pwSXC-0002G5-EQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2023 14:58:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pwSXC-0007kL-A9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2023 14:58:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 May 2023 18:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 62958 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 62958-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B62958.168365863229714 (code B ref 62958); Tue, 09 May 2023 18:58:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 62958) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2023 18:57:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44504 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pwSWO-0007jC-6g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2023 14:57:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51818) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pwSWK-0007ix-H7 for 62958@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2023 14:57:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pwSWE-0002D9-EC; Tue, 09 May 2023 14:57:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=2OLuPatT4wTDib3SB2W89X5fpYBDXOOujccp/KAGYVE=; b=QWMLiur/bQfz 4iHARhlrDnquUXGHlzP8cwlumwN6fgUP1lVmKGbHsCd5ngvZOKIuZH3m59j8jOyCqdHq1ISoSxWqd 3LnvFRN4r+kUeL0Cbg0T87oNxp/Mn9zlt4FoEIEbGAArCKqPl+t3Vo23noGLhbkl3+in7Lb/V8+NI aD5ziPN9LrLEK9NQvdbxCDKjo3iGNG5HKpLjU/MvRKEhE5G2d430irKj+Glo3/MAIHdeLe8uOIdCz EV8O+35k8lFnlyaD1tNS68JcptGzYIG73UrFKLJzrzNgscV1BPOGQh1Rkh3xM1BDQmUVgenUhKlsX f9/oAVX+t8LrpUGkHSADsw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pwSWD-0002QW-Tx; Tue, 09 May 2023 14:57:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Spencer Baugh on Tue, 09 May 2023 13:13:56 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:261442 Archived-At: > From: Spencer Baugh > Cc: sbaugh@catern.com, 62958@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 09 May 2023 13:13:56 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Spencer Baugh > >> Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 13:01:07 -0400 > >> Cc: sbaugh@catern.com, 62958@debbugs.gnu.org > >> > >> I'm asking why this is not already obvious from the fact that this is > >> a defcustom, by default off. All your addition says is "don't disable > >> paging in all cases, sometimes it can be useful". But we already said > >> that, in effect, by making the paging enabled by default. So there's > >> no reason to have that text, as it isn't instrumental, and doesn't add > >> anything. > >> > >> How does "this is a defcustom, by default off" communicate "you should use vc-print-log if you turn this > >> on"? > > > > Why are we suddenly talking about vc-print-log when discussing a much > > more general feature? > > Because disabling pagination effectively breaks the shell command "git > log" and vc-print-log is one alternative to running "git log", and I > don't know how else the user would realize that. (In my experience with > talking to users about this, they usually don't) A doc string of a general option is not the proper place for talking about some very specific case when that option is used. If the main problem is vc-print-log, we should find another way of dealing with it.