From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:29:57 +0300 Message-ID: <83lhhubudm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <861tjn3069.fsf@yandex.ru> <83618ydcav.fsf@gnu.org> <552D26D1.2040305@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429025553 29216 80.91.229.3 (14 Apr 2015 15:32:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 14 17:32:23 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2p3-00074l-In for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 17:32:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56489 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2p2-0002ou-LC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:32:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52079) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2nq-0000yl-GT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:31:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2nn-0005oi-3o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:31:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38334) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2nm-0005oY-Ms for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:31:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2nm-0003n1-BC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:31:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20322 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20322-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20322.142902541214457 (code B ref 20322); Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:31:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Apr 2015 15:30:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56343 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2mv-0003l6-U6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:30:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:47480) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2mq-0003k2-2E for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NMS00100Z0Z8U00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:29:45 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NMS000UFZ1KZN80@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:29:45 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <552D26D1.2040305@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101517 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 17:40:17 +0300 > From: Dmitry Gutov > CC: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org > > On 04/14/2015 05:17 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Each major mode can (and some already do) have its own default. > > I can see ruby-mode and texinfo-mode set it to nil, which makes sense, > but it also makes it harder for the user to configure everything in one > place. But it's simply _wrong_ to configure everything in one place, because different modes have different conventions. > > If the customizations are due to language guidelines/culture, then > > setting this to nil in the major mode is TRT. > > Maybe, but my point is that going by this logic most major modes would > need to set it to nil. I don't understand why. Can you explain? > Note that doing that change in major modes will have pretty much the > same problem as changing the default: users who got used to the current > behavior. If you only change that in modes which really need that, this problem won't exist, because, as you yourself said, everybody already customized these modes to use that value.