From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:28:10 +0300 Message-ID: <83lhhk2ned.fsf@gnu.org> References: <861tjn3069.fsf@yandex.ru> <552D20B6.8030005@yandex.ru> <83mw2abul3.fsf@gnu.org> <552D34BC.4090806@yandex.ru> <83h9sibt0q.fsf@gnu.org> <552D7796.2090109@yandex.ru> <552D9204.3000604@yandex.ru> <552DC816.3030002@yandex.ru> <553513B4.6040509@yandex.ru> <55357918.7030808@yandex.ru> <5536A423.7020808@yandex.ru> <83r3rd461u.fsf@gnu.org> <5537B804.7090508@yandex.ru> <83oamg2nv2.fsf@gnu.org> <5537BCDA.2040206@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429716627 11773 80.91.229.3 (22 Apr 2015 15:30:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 17:30:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YkwbP-0008C1-3b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 17:30:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35758 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkwbO-0000XA-HQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:30:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44995) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkwbL-0000WF-CT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:30:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkwbH-0000id-CL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:30:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46893) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkwbH-0000iQ-9i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkwbF-0002ca-Rt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:30:06 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:30:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20322 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20322-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20322.142971659010038 (code B ref 20322); Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:30:05 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2015 15:29:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36669 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykwaz-0002bp-Tg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:29:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout27.012.net.il ([80.179.55.183]:59916) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykwax-0002ba-Ih for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:29:48 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout27.012.net.il by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NN700200RUKDA00@mtaout27.012.net.il> for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:23:13 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NN700M2ES2P0660@mtaout27.012.net.il>; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:23:13 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <5537BCDA.2040206@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101877 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:23:06 +0300 > From: Dmitry Gutov > CC: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org > > On 04/22/2015 06:18 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > I meant the actual usage of tabs/spaces in the files. That, of > > course, doesn't change when the project migrates. > > I don't see how this contradicts my previous message. I thought it was obvious: Changing the whitespace usage is not a simple job, and no one will normally do that. So having different defaults will silently and subtly cause a change in project-wide conventions, something that I think is undesirable. There are also mixed C/C++ projects, where different defaults will cause similar problems. In short, these two languages are just too similar and inter-related to justify using the same defaults in this regard.