From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22604: 24.5; (elisp) `Key Binding Conventions': what about other `C-c' keys? Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 21:18:20 +0200 Message-ID: <83lh6tbslf.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<<38cef267-d54f-40d5-9282-563615551367@default> <29ac44ad-3c5d-486e-abd7-a7ef70e906d1@default> <0fa54275-c058-4f38-9ef4-cc24de315dc0@default>>> << <838u2tddcs.fsf@gnu.org>>> <> <<83pow5bvgc.fsf@gnu.org>> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455045564 4542 80.91.229.3 (9 Feb 2016 19:19:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 19:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: schwab@suse.de, 22604-done@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 20:19:13 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aTDod-0006ny-LK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 20:19:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59799 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTDoc-0000SF-MW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:19:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40271) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTDoY-0000S2-Ac for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:19:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTDoU-00033B-4g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:19:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:52964) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTDoU-000332-1A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:19:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTDoT-0003TT-U0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:19:01 -0500 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 19:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: cc-closed 22604 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Mail-Followup-To: 22604@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Original-Received: via spool by 22604-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D22604.145504552513329 (code D ref 22604); Tue, 09 Feb 2016 19:19:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22604-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2016 19:18:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33871 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTDoD-0003Su-6K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:18:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49168) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTDoB-0003Sh-KQ for 22604-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:18:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTDo2-0002zS-DB for 22604-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:18:38 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTDo2-0002zK-9V; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:18:34 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1568 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aTDo1-0003s6-BN; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:18:33 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:33:28 -0800 (PST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112824 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:33:28 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: schwab@suse.de, 22604@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Whether it should also cover other punctuation or other symbol chars > > > is maybe an open question. > > > > > > It's really about character-inserting keys on a keyboard, not > > > punctuation and symbol chars that are not on keys. > > > > Not sure I agree. Usurping too many characters would not be a good > > idea, IMO. > > Usurping? From whom/what? >From users and from other modes. > It's about reserving this category of keys for minor mode keymaps. Yes, and I don't think we want or should reserve too many characters. > > How can such a binding be useful, when Emacs runs on a non-French > > keyboard? Do we really want to encourage modes that can only be fully > > functional in some specific locales? I don't think so. > > Why treat punctuation and symbols on a US keyboard specially? > Why should `$' be treated differently from `€'? Because most keyboards have the former, but not the latter. > > Any reasons not to close the bug report? > > You can close it if you like. I would prefer that we think about > handling the same category of char-inserting keys (punctuation and > symbols) for other keyboards the same way we handle those for US > keyboards. But if that is not to be then it is not to be. We can think with the bug closed, and we can reopen later (or make a change without reopening).