From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32463: 27.0.50; (logior -1) => 4611686018427387903 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 05:39:49 +0300 Message-ID: <83lg8xbybu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5230a57b-5896-606d-f157-2e547710b6e8@cs.ucla.edu> <87sh362vc7.fsf@tromey.com> <33788740-9361-4883-c5a5-279da6ae4739@cs.ucla.edu> <83pnyab6nb.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1534991946 27370 195.159.176.226 (23 Aug 2018 02:39:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 02:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tom@tromey.com, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, 32463@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 23 04:39:02 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fsfWX-0006yh-7o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 04:39:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34099 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fsfYd-00015c-QO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 22:41:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37439) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fsfYX-00015K-P9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 22:41:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fsfYT-00010b-Q9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 22:41:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:53196) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fsfYT-00010V-N8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 22:41:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fsfYT-0001JZ-Jp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 22:41:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 02:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32463 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 32463-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32463.15349920154981 (code B ref 32463); Thu, 23 Aug 2018 02:41:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32463) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2018 02:40:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58214 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fsfXj-0001IH-FW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 22:40:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44519) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fsfXi-0001I1-B0 for 32463@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 22:40:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fsfXZ-0000SW-00 for 32463@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 22:40:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50366) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fsfXY-0000SS-SM; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 22:40:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1478 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fsfXY-0002ee-F3; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 22:40:04 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Paul Eggert on Wed, 22 Aug 2018 17:28:49 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:149678 Archived-At: > Cc: tom@tromey.com, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, 32463@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 17:28:49 -0700 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > I'd rather we left the name alone. It's a veteran name, burnt into > > our muscle memory by many years of coding in Emacs. > > But the name 'make_number' means something completely different now; it has a > different signature, it is a lot more expensive than it used to be, and it > cannot be used the way the old name could be used. Then perhaps restore the old make_number and make a new function with the extra functionality. > We already changed the name XINT and friends, even though their semantics didn't > change. And it's already a significant blow to coding habits. I wonder when this renaming spree will end, because it's beginning to look like a whole new language to learn.