From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32643: 26; minor-mode variables Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 21:35:23 +0300 Message-ID: <83lg8ewk2c.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<3ce888af-aa04-4dd2-99b5-0882e37024f3@default> > <<494224f1-815f-4fb4-a779-75e243b519f0@default>> <<83sh2mwv8w.fsf@gnu.org>> <488f04e4-8389-459b-b3c7-603e48bed452@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536258849 26830 195.159.176.226 (6 Sep 2018 18:34:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 18:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, 32643@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 06 20:34:04 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fxz6S-0006u2-JO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 20:34:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34997 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxz8X-00017a-V8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:36:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55459) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxz8R-00015Y-L5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:36:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxz8N-00058d-Ko for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:36:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:43356) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxz8N-00058I-FL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:36:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fxz8N-0005Fr-BK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:36:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:36:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32643 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 32643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32643.153625894220167 (code B ref 32643); Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:36:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2018 18:35:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48374 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fxz82-0005FC-8K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:35:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34230) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fxz80-0005Ew-BQ for 32643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:35:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxz7r-0003Le-3c for 32643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:35:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50048) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxz7q-0003L1-UC; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:35:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3889 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fxz7k-0000VC-Ln; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:35:24 -0400 In-reply-to: <488f04e4-8389-459b-b3c7-603e48bed452@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 6 Sep 2018 07:51:10 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:150087 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 07:51:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: rms@gnu.org, 32643@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Most probably, historical accidents. But even finding that out is a > > non-trivial amount of work. > > `auto-fill-mode' has already been identified. Let this bug report serve > (at least) to ask that Emacs set an `auto-fill-mode' mode variable. You've changed the subject by eliding the context. The above was an answer to your question why some modes have variables while others don't. As for auto-fill-mode, can you tell why it is important to have a variable there? What cannot you do without that variable? > > I think the manual already does what you want, it just doesn't say > > this is a bug (because it isn't, IMO). > > The manual says nothing, AFAICT, that provides guidance about when > a mode should not or need not have a variable. Based on what it does > say, each mode "should" have a variable. Is that your point? My point is that the manual recommends that there be a variable. > In that case, perhaps we should remove the text about some existing > modes not respecting this "should" - especially if that is only by > historical accident. If we remove that, we will have no way to respond to bug reports requesting that all modes shall have a variable. > Keeping the text suggests that there is some good reason why some > modes do not have variables. There's no such suggestion, it's just a statement of a fact. > And since a mode not having a variable is likely only an accident, > presumably such a mode "should" be fixed, if identified. Not every accident deserves to be fixed.