From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32643: 26; minor-mode variables Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2018 09:40:13 +0300 Message-ID: <83lg8dvmia.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<<3ce888af-aa04-4dd2-99b5-0882e37024f3@default> >> <<<494224f1-815f-4fb4-a779-75e243b519f0@default>>> <<<83sh2mwv8w.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<488f04e4-8389-459b-b3c7-603e48bed452@default>> <<83lg8ewk2c.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536302390 428 195.159.176.226 (7 Sep 2018 06:39:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 06:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, 32643@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 07 08:39:46 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fyAQh-0008Qb-Na for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 08:39:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36951 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyASn-0003iD-TH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 02:41:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57395) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyAS5-0003DC-KQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 02:41:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyAS0-000768-RQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 02:41:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:43675) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyARy-000724-99 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 02:41:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fyARy-00006w-6O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 02:41:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2018 06:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32643 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 32643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32643.1536302452398 (code B ref 32643); Fri, 07 Sep 2018 06:41:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2018 06:40:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48693 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fyARn-00006L-Ka for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 02:40:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35751) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fyARl-000062-9V for 32643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 02:40:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyARc-0006L9-JJ for 32643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 02:40:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34081) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyARa-0006BR-Pa; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 02:40:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4834 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fyARB-0004eF-T1; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 02:40:14 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 6 Sep 2018 17:10:09 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:150108 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 17:10:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: rms@gnu.org, 32643@debbugs.gnu.org > > > As for auto-fill-mode, can you tell why it is important to have a > > variable there? What cannot you do without that variable? > > No, according to the convention the shoe is on the other foot. > Why should it not have a variable? That's the convention. > Why should `auto-fill-mode' be an exception? Because it always was like that. > You can do `C-h v auto-fill-mode' to check whether it is on. > Minor modes do not necessarily have mode-line lighters. But auto-fill-mode does have a lighter. > > > > I think the manual already does what you want, it just doesn't say > > > > this is a bug (because it isn't, IMO). > > > > > > The manual says nothing, AFAICT, that provides guidance about when > > > a mode should not or need not have a variable. Based on what it does > > > say, each mode "should" have a variable. Is that your point? > > > > My point is that the manual recommends that there be a variable. > > No one disagrees that that is the case. Then you agree that "the manual already does what you want", yes? > > > Keeping the text suggests that there is some good reason why some > > > modes do not have variables. > > > > There's no such suggestion, it's just a statement of a fact. > > Why is that fact stated? OK, I think this discussion goes nowhere, so let's stop here.