From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36729: 27.0.50; Unclear total in directory listing Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 05:30:52 +0300 Message-ID: <83lfwqrear.fsf@gnu.org> References: <048FD91B-CDA0-4444-8F6F-C5B2F5C595CD@acm.org> <83k1ceusn1.fsf@gnu.org> <68D3B8E0-26F0-474A-B76D-320E523DBDDC@acm.org> <8336izsbok.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="6327"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 36729@debbugs.gnu.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 22 04:32:07 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpO7S-0001Vd-Ls for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 04:32:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58364 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpO7R-0001Yu-KP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:32:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52317) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpO7O-0001Yj-Ur for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:32:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpO7O-0005r6-4D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:50960) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpO7O-0005r0-10 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpO7N-0000gX-Rj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:32:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 02:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36729 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 36729-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36729.15637626742583 (code B ref 36729); Mon, 22 Jul 2019 02:32:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 36729) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jul 2019 02:31:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59781 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpO6c-0000fb-AP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:31:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39831) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpO6b-0000fP-Af for 36729@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:31:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49853) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpO6V-0005bJ-J7; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:31:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1519 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hpO6U-0004z8-OO; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:31:07 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= on Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:36:15 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:163571 Archived-At: > From: Mattias Engdegård > Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:36:15 +0200 > Cc: 36729@debbugs.gnu.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net, drew.adams@oracle.com > > > We already have ls-lisp.el. It isn't used on platforms where 'ls' is > > available because AFAIK using 'ls' is faster. > > Is that is still noticeable on modern systems, or just for very big and/or recursive listings? I think its generally slower. But you can try and see for yourself. > We can do better, while retaining the old format for those who have grown too accustomed to it (not meant as pejorative). I think switching Dired to a different layout will be so revolutionary that it warrants a new name, not Dired. People are too accustomed to that format, not in the least because they also use "ls -l" from the shell prompt.