From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7388: 24.0.50; "Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway?" or let them live on, but exit emacs Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 10:09:18 +0300 Message-ID: <83lftnkdlt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87sjz6z7y1.fsf@jidanni1.jidanni.org> <87pnj0t9mx.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="45535"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 7388@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 14 09:10:18 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuUj-000BdL-Nb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:10:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45162 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuUi-0005Fx-0U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43789) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuUV-00059S-Si for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuUU-0002R1-RN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:57226) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuUU-0002Qv-O7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuUU-0004G6-HQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7388 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 7388-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7388.157103697216311 (code B ref 7388); Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:10:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7388) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2019 07:09:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37810 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuTz-0004Ez-Gc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:09:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34653) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuTx-0004El-4V for 7388@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:09:30 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47651) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuTr-0002Cf-Kw; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:09:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2388 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuTq-00049F-Ik; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:09:23 -0400 In-reply-to: <87pnj0t9mx.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:14 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:169221 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:14 +0200 > Cc: 7388@debbugs.gnu.org > > jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > > > "Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no)" > > Why is there no third choice: "let them live on, but exit emacs"? > > Hasn't emacs ever heard of bash's $ help disown etc.? How could mighty > > emacs not be capable of things like that? > > And the whole thing should be reworded clearer too. > > Perhaps even implement choosing which processes are to live on after > > emacs exits. > > I don't think implementing this would be impossible (although perhaps a > bit tricky to make it work on all OS-es: I have no idea), but I've never > felt a need for this. If there's no good use case, then I don't see the > point, so I'm closing this bug report. Right. Emacs subprocesses generally are connected to Emacs via pipes or PTYs, so letting them live when Emacs exits will leave a broken process whose standard handles point to the great void.