From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52870: Is displaying bindings in describe-function useful? Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 18:51:52 +0200 Message-ID: <83lf03jqvr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wnjnk0at.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38253"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 52870@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 29 17:52:20 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n2cBY-0009k7-9J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 17:52:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57374 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2cBX-0001an-7F for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:52:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41376) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2cBG-0001MK-Of for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:52:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:38593) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2cBG-0003Hx-Fc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:52:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2cBG-0005EB-FM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:52:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 16:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52870 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 52870-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52870.164079671720078 (code B ref 52870); Wed, 29 Dec 2021 16:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 52870) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2021 16:51:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50138 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2cBB-0005Dl-I8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:51:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40610) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2cB9-0005DJ-Jn for 52870@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:51:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=44600 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2cB4-0003Fn-2K; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:51:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=fW1dmSPRFlcDQskzIzzXrSLyXOQA7P6StifaPtLTNSc=; b=BVQ63YThwFry Oca09pxVAU8a4GpQ9drCx3UL8JnQ2NjFgd8h5M9RlDzyNQLF5LRqpoc6GZi4v7paBNnUdi2k+AACQ OcGxDlQleaKyBJZkuK4eHDdSNk3BJIeN6OGfjN7I7orNpa9+q0luCiT8H53dNfxd8mIpqx1/kGvlN +2K8Fl8OsgVDs/UUcbu1EeKwkWjjYyb0oi06mSMBgFO0f/aD8qs1cxw3WFhONQ3qUugBboEwLufZJ HmN480g9joMF9wDOJZSwg6+Lgf4DABYNUvFT54jscE7cCD5bu9s2Pa4L53KBZmqvIKzB9C0j3pfqK DoU9n+BBfpu5mbZ+iNvLrw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1147 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2cB4-0004cZ-1m; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:51:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 29 Dec 2021 06:49:12 -0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:223357 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 06:49:12 -0800 > Cc: 52870@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> I would therefore like to suggest either: > >> > >> a) Displaying nothing at all for such bindings. The menu entries will > >> be shown in the menu itself, and that is enough. > >> > >> In this case, we could have an option to revert to the old behavior. > >> > >> b) Show it separately from other key bindings at the end, maybe > >> something like this: > > > > This is a serious change in behavior, so I think it could only fly as > > an opt-in feature. It sounds like a personal preference, so an > > option, off by default, for it sounds about right. > > I assume you are talking by option a). I retract that proposal, and > propose option b) as the default behaviour. Thanks. If by b) you mean to push the menu binding to the very end, where it will probably not seen at all, then I don't think that could be the default, either. Just changing the order, so that non-menu bindings are shown first, is okay, I think. But banishing that to after the version where the command was introduced doesn't sound like something I could agree to by default.