From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#56510: Make some games obsolete (or just remove them from the menu) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 16:28:08 +0300 Message-ID: <83lesyxxxz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5dfaa366be4768e47f5d36bf89c4ec02@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13502"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, 56510@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 12 15:37:49 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oBG5E-0003M3-23 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:37:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44424 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oBG5C-0004uq-Fc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:37:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37240) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oBFwk-00054F-Br for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:29:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48081) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oBFwk-0000Yn-2y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:29:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oBFwj-0004R5-VX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:29:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 13:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56510 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 56510-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56510.165763250916997 (code B ref 56510); Tue, 12 Jul 2022 13:29:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 56510) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2022 13:28:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41977 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oBFwD-0004Q4-0k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:28:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50580) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oBFwB-0004Ps-Sz for 56510@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:28:28 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41804) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oBFw5-0000Qm-Fa; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:28:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=oGx4GAZekTHjikA3sa6eflhG7d8HojBtztw99Sk2Fd0=; b=WIDQUxFJg4S2 FjQuP4bVf4DixcukI1mOZ9sBLLjjjx4FXe4oaiDuYIxjHGbHDO7M44kmwUPY0Mj6KaQ4aSUduqdlc Rz27eZG4g9QSzPnzcMG3qcg5lAUhJ0QmJQ9uWjxYWRaMkx+M/y/LLXmdAo0lLt/BYmNbdyQoIZgtM 4TEb3E0opcdpgj2HuEmud0OE+JXfqOvfbGbsu8mgBWTeEic+7wPeUq7Z/3+rHW7JF6tR/o8eHnfdC 0FPhe4vs07lvOmuU1zEJvcl7AVE4T8u3VAfyWtZuuUvGsz1sVXRD81b6+jNzGSC2m/kAB3GJ2a+2z BPtSCCm6Y4swwfyTkGyXPQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3308 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oBFw2-0000xn-Uy; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:28:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 12 Jul 2022 04:54:45 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:236779 Archived-At: > Cc: 56510@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 04:54:45 -0500 > > Phil Sainty writes: > > > On 2022-07-12 15:06, Stefan Kangas wrote: > >> Some of the games in Emacs look a bit dated. I put it to you that they > >> are not excellent promotion for Emacs, and that we are better served by > >> having fewer but better games. > > > > Why do they need to be "an excellent promotion for Emacs" as opposed > > to "games you can play"? > > I was trying to be polite, sorry. Let me put it a bit more bluntly: > they make Emacs look scruffy and antiquated, and should much sooner be > hidden than actively promoted. Aren't you exaggerating a bit? How can a game make Emacs look "scruffy and antiquated"? And how can removing some games without adding anything in their stead make Emacs look better? If you (or someone else) personally don't like those games, you are welcome not to play them. But why force your views on others in such a blatant way?