From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64871: 30.0.50; [FR] Add command and menu item to open user init file Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:19:52 +0300 Message-ID: <83lef1naev.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87jzun7x34.fsf@localhost> <871qguxirf.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sf99ncfi.fsf@gnu.org> <87tttpx60o.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29204"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, 64871@debbugs.gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 27 09:16:09 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qOvEE-0007Ml-Vs for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:16:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOuM0-0004OO-Eo; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 02:20:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOuLy-0004Ns-NY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 02:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOuLy-0004hV-EX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 02:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qOuLx-0006V1-RL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 02:20:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 06:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64871 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 64871-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64871.169043875324927 (code B ref 64871); Thu, 27 Jul 2023 06:20:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64871) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2023 06:19:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40561 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qOuLB-0006Tx-55 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 02:19:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qOuL8-0006Tl-Ow for 64871@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 02:19:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOuL2-0004NN-Hb; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 02:19:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=1YhipPJDWLVII3vH0ETojNuEvLLwwNpMFyeG+vCRXiQ=; b=aI4rF+7bIIiF83ZOt6Rm qRlSktXVmFK69/vRfZEUEAsWPHh8HrW7QD0e9zyTiNz5PO0hM7QhVPSLaN8VNHV/hX5M0hqORNiqI bPLvXK8pDXNcJ69Khznm//cv+nJGZfPLWDntMJqaOOcvVFBgbJYjZzE0edS5+BszI5lwIfEcPRO18 Wgr4E76bynaaLxWORgKk6DkGhgfUtEnB9kH+x3fBeg9v5qpSn+Au19s8GaskzLGmF5ZOFmtm1gojS MD0wFttnnazrvXjzmXXsQCrd11doKkbIq7b+CeDIG3VU3KrePj0hcopLWebSHJ5Ohs9YzI5oznk5D rQceca+ebXbnig==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOuL1-00088s-58; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 02:19:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87tttpx60o.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:44:39 +0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:266165 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, 64871@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:44:39 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Before concluding that this suggestion will cause trouble to the > > over-crowded menu bar, we should talk about where this new items might > > be placed. If we place it in an existing sub-menu, then the problems > > it will cause might not be that grave. For example, how about the > > Options->Customize Emacs sub-menu? > > I don't think that the people who need help finding their initialization > files are likely to look there. Are people who want to customize Emacs likely to use the Options->Customize Emacs menu? If yes, why not have this one additional item there? If no, why do we have that menu at all? > Maybe the tutorial could mention the locations where Emacs searches for > initialization files, or we could put a link to the init files on the > splash screen. The tutorial is not the place to explain _where_ Emacs finds the init file. > > To be fair, the tool bar still has some free space on it. > > Not on my phone, where the default tool-bar is about four items away > from wrapping. We certainly can't afford to waste that space on these > items. So we are now using a smartphone as the reference platform for making UI decisions? Smartphones might need a whole new approach to the Emacs UI, and a bunch of very different UI decisions. They should not dictate what our UI looks like on desktop and laptop machines. > > But I actually wonder about something else: what other applications > > have a tool-bar button to access the init file, or even just the > > customization menu? > > Other applications don't treat their tool bars as disposal areas for > anything they want to make prominent :-) When did you last look at modern word processors and their tool bars? They are, in fact, much more crowded than ours. > On a slightly unrelated note, I think Emacs would be well served by an > interactive tutorial, like the proverbial Clippy from MS Office. It > could be opened from a link on the splash screen. We decided it would be a good idea long ago, and are since waiting for Someone™ to actually make that happen. IMNSHO, this is more important than having Emacs run on Android (hint, hint).