From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, 64871@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#64871: 30.0.50; [FR] Add command and menu item to open user init file
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:19:52 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83lef1naev.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tttpx60o.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:44:39 +0800)
> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, 64871@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:44:39 +0800
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Before concluding that this suggestion will cause trouble to the
> > over-crowded menu bar, we should talk about where this new items might
> > be placed. If we place it in an existing sub-menu, then the problems
> > it will cause might not be that grave. For example, how about the
> > Options->Customize Emacs sub-menu?
>
> I don't think that the people who need help finding their initialization
> files are likely to look there.
Are people who want to customize Emacs likely to use the
Options->Customize Emacs menu? If yes, why not have this one
additional item there? If no, why do we have that menu at all?
> Maybe the tutorial could mention the locations where Emacs searches for
> initialization files, or we could put a link to the init files on the
> splash screen.
The tutorial is not the place to explain _where_ Emacs finds the init
file.
> > To be fair, the tool bar still has some free space on it.
>
> Not on my phone, where the default tool-bar is about four items away
> from wrapping. We certainly can't afford to waste that space on these
> items.
So we are now using a smartphone as the reference platform for making
UI decisions? Smartphones might need a whole new approach to the
Emacs UI, and a bunch of very different UI decisions. They should not
dictate what our UI looks like on desktop and laptop machines.
> > But I actually wonder about something else: what other applications
> > have a tool-bar button to access the init file, or even just the
> > customization menu?
>
> Other applications don't treat their tool bars as disposal areas for
> anything they want to make prominent :-)
When did you last look at modern word processors and their tool bars?
They are, in fact, much more crowded than ours.
> On a slightly unrelated note, I think Emacs would be well served by an
> interactive tutorial, like the proverbial Clippy from MS Office. It
> could be opened from a link on the splash screen.
We decided it would be a good idea long ago, and are since waiting for
Someone™ to actually make that happen. IMNSHO, this is more important
than having Emacs run on Android (hint, hint).
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Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-07-26 11:04 bug#64871: 30.0.50; [FR] Add command and menu item to open user init file Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-27 1:09 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-27 5:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-27 5:44 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-27 6:19 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-07-27 12:29 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-27 12:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-27 8:32 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-27 8:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-27 9:08 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-27 9:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-28 8:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-28 12:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-28 12:24 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-28 12:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-28 12:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-28 14:15 ` Drew Adams
2023-08-03 8:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-03 8:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-03 9:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
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