From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#68075: 30.0.50; New special form `handler-bind` Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2024 18:06:50 +0200 Message-ID: <83le9911id.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835y0i92kb.fsf@gnu.org> <83le9c3z6k.fsf@gnu.org> <83wmsu17x6.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2878"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 68075@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 01 17:08:24 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rKKq0-0000UP-DQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2024 17:08:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rKKpe-0001JU-PQ; Mon, 01 Jan 2024 11:08:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rKKpd-0001J6-35 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2024 11:08:01 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rKKpc-0007e6-Q7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2024 11:08:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rKKpe-0000nf-DZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2024 11:08:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2024 16:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68075 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 68075-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68075.17041252232809 (code B ref 68075); Mon, 01 Jan 2024 16:08:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 68075) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2024 16:07:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48652 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rKKog-0000jF-Vo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2024 11:07:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38796) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rKKof-0000ih-GZ for 68075@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2024 11:07:02 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rKKoX-0007WI-7H; Mon, 01 Jan 2024 11:06:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=lrIv9DsHDXUQU5ZV1B02VgBzvflryJGbv+E7SGyn54Q=; b=NJKh72jLJ69N RHht2E1/WPxldUrMNkyMB73egRFrV5HS85NRvreVsTlrAMBRxmLAkcdz7UCxxXAO5IClBVBtwPlRI t6zvtUKPk2PyTpio2BDZ2NBiaXyxaDsl9dpp1Ok385VybB8YCufSXP7bUu0PwjypaYkkq2lp4r/EE J/Gp61/eTh2efTqYJ2sIwYhEoiI2dUmc6i7wcwmX9WZ3rjaLfaHXgpt17G+XMfuRhYy0Kavgp07iD 6E/pt7rlaDCcdRuRO0S0vx2+9geUmKTm7i25ebKBfLh5W3vh8e/cKrozJ9Bijj6FUK8Xl6/fw6YYZ CoTVns8jHeBMzWjIvvB9yw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 01 Jan 2024 10:37:01 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:277178 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: 68075@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2024 10:37:01 -0500 > > >> Could you give an example piece of code where this "confusing > >> terminology" makes you unsure how things would work? > > That's the quoted part of your patch at the beginning of this message. > > It uses the word "dynamic" twice and "dynamic bindings" once. > > So, IIUC, reading that text makes you feel unsure, but you don't really > know what you're unsure of? Oh, but I do: the two references to "dynamic", including one to "dynamic binding" seem to indicate quite unequivocally that "dynamic binding" vs "lexical binding" could be involved. I wonder why it is so hard to understand this difficulty, when the words basically speak for themselves. > For this reason it would help if you could try and characterize more > precisely what you find confusing. I don't have anything else to say except point once again to your wording, which I already did several times...