From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 10:44:00 +0300 Message-ID: <83k3b5a69r.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83ppky9pyn.fsf@gnu.org> <533DB732.70704@dancol.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1396597465 9761 80.91.229.3 (4 Apr 2014 07:44:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 07:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: sdl.web@gmail.com, 16617@debbugs.gnu.org To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 04 09:44:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WVynS-0008OD-9V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 09:44:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48234 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVynR-0004Qq-Tl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 03:44:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49405) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVynI-0004Qh-WF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 03:44:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVynD-0000hw-IR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 03:44:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33739) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVynD-0000hr-Ep for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 03:44:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WVynC-00065r-JO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 03:44:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 07:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16617 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16617-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16617.139659743123391 (code B ref 16617); Fri, 04 Apr 2014 07:44:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16617) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Apr 2014 07:43:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34921 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WVymz-00065C-Nv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 03:43:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:34854) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WVymv-000651-JC for 16617@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 03:43:46 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N3H00600X2M1D00@mtaout24.012.net.il> for 16617@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 10:41:47 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N3H0024VXDMKO50@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 10:41:46 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <533DB732.70704@dancol.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:87734 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 12:32:02 -0700 > From: Daniel Colascione > CC: sdl.web@gmail.com, 16617@debbugs.gnu.org > > Drew's right this time. In what part(s) of his long list of complaints? > >> Why should `C-q ?' show any "help"? > > > > Because '?' is a help character. > > We should make an exception for C-q. Its purpose is explicitly to > *override* normal Emacs convention. I'd be happy echoing a help message > as soon as C-q is entered, and maybe popping up help on F1, but we > should certainly treat "?" like any other character. Not sure I agree about '?', but in any case this is NOT the main part of Drew's complaints. He says that help text should not be shown at all, ever. _That_ is certainly not a regression, as Emacs have behaved like that since about forever.