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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 20385@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, dgutov@yandex.ru
Subject: bug#20385: [PROPOSED PATCH] Support quoting 'like this' in doc strings
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:11:28 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83k2x2ys1b.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4b159230-cd7e-4cb9-a778-3ad7ed2ae301@default>

> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:13:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: 20385@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu
> 
> > > Who are those people, and why do they want that?
> > 
> > Those who follow Markus Kuhn's advice, read here:
> >   http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/quotes.html
> 
> ...where the *only* argument given is, again, "it looked rather ugly".
> That is the only "why do they want that" that we have heard, so far.

You are missing the point: this paper wants those "rather ugly"
characters to disappear from text content, and not everybody out there
uses Emacs for editing and reading that.  So an Emacs-only solution
that just _shows_ the nice characters, leaving the underlying text
with `..' is not what that paper wants, or preaches for.

> And of course Mr. Kuhn is not specifically talking about an environment
> such as Emacs, where you do more with text than just read it.

He doesn't talk about Emacs at all.  He's talking about the world at
large.  People who want to follow him want the old quoting characters
to never be used at all for quoting purposes.






  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-24  6:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-20 18:39 bug#20385: [PROPOSED PATCH] Support quoting 'like this' in doc strings Paul Eggert
2015-04-20 19:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21  0:18   ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-21  0:53     ` Drew Adams
2015-04-21  1:14     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21  1:30       ` Drew Adams
2015-04-21  1:58         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21  3:45       ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-21 14:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-21 18:04           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21 18:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-21 19:34               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21 19:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-21 20:01                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-22  7:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-22 13:52                       ` Drew Adams
2015-04-22 13:59                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-22 14:52                           ` Drew Adams
2015-04-22 23:36                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23  0:23                               ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-23  6:45                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23  9:14                                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-23 10:22                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23 11:15                                       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-23 17:32                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23 18:23                                           ` Drew Adams
2015-04-23 19:38                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23 20:07                                               ` Drew Adams
2015-04-23 20:12                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 23:24                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-24  0:24                                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-04-24  4:47                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23 19:47                                           ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-23 19:57                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-23  2:19                               ` Drew Adams
2015-04-23  6:45                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23 14:51                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-04-23 15:32                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-04-23 17:11                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23 19:55                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-23 20:03                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 20:13                           ` Drew Adams
2015-04-24  6:11                             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-04-24  3:04                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-24  6:46                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-24 13:43                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-21 18:44             ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-21 20:30               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-22  0:49                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-22 23:37           ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23  6:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-21 18:35       ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-04-21 18:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-21 19:37           ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-04-21 19:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] ` <mailman.1406.1429745828.904.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-23 12:11   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-04-23 12:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 12:45       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-04-23 13:06         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] ` <mailman.1407.1429745888.904.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-23 12:27   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-04-23 19:42     ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-13  7:30 ` bug#20385: [PATCH] Support curved quotes " Paul Eggert
2015-05-13 12:16   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-13 15:13     ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-13 22:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-14  3:24         ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-14 10:49           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-15  7:49             ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-15 17:24               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-15 18:54                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-15 19:09                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-15 21:13                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-15 21:48                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-15 23:52                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-16  0:08                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-16  0:11                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-16  1:48                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-16  8:27                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-19 23:27                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-20  2:22                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-21  7:21                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-21 10:01                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-21 14:58                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-22  3:41                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-16  9:51                               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-05-16  1:23                           ` Drew Adams
2015-05-16  6:20                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-16  7:36                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-14  7:10         ` bug#20385: missing charset for non-ASCII text/x-patch MIME parts in Thunderbird Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-14  7:20         ` bug#20385: Support curved quotes in doc strings Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-14 14:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-14 20:05             ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-14 20:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-14 20:30                 ` Ivan Shmakov
     [not found]         ` <87h9rfiqh1.fsf_-_@violet.siamics.net>
2015-05-14  8:28           ` bug#20385: missing charset for non-ASCII text/x-patch MIME parts in Thunderbird Stephen J. Turnbull
     [not found] <<1429555155-4695-1-git-send-email-eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
2015-04-20 20:16 ` bug#20385: [PROPOSED PATCH] Support quoting 'like this' in doc strings Drew Adams
     [not found] ` <<jwvtwwabnhp.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<5535974D.9050207@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]     ` <<jwvvbgqs2ud.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<5535C7F3.7020107@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]         ` <<83618p5y9w.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <<jwvk2x59x4g.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>
     [not found]             ` <<83vbgp49ve.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <<jwv8udl9syp.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>
     [not found]                 ` <<83pp6x45x5.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                   ` <<5536ACB3.9040707@yandex.ru>
     [not found]                     ` <<83lhhk4phe.fsf@gnu.org>
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     [not found]                         ` <<87a8y0jmba.fsf@petton.fr>
     [not found]                           ` <<6837d058-ba18-461b-8af6-2c4e6d767348@default>
     [not found]                             ` <<55383081.4010106@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]                               ` <<87a8xzae0o.fsf@petton.fr>
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     [not found]                                         ` <<55392C91.1010300@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]                                           ` <<84f4aea9-c3ef-44c5-ac06-0df72d223e8c@default>
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     [not found]                                               ` <<f978526c-c5e3-405d-ae75-63b9ed5d4537@default>
     [not found]                                                 ` <<83lhhizjqw.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-04-23 20:15                                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-04-24  6:12                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <<55394E30.8040307@yandex.ru>
     [not found]                         ` <<83oamezk77.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                           ` <<4b159230-cd7e-4cb9-a778-3ad7ed2ae301@default>
     [not found]                             ` <<83k2x2ys1b.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-04-24 14:11                               ` Drew Adams
2015-04-24 14:40                                 ` Eli Zaretskii

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