From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9300: 24.0.50; `bounds-of-thing-at-point' does not return nil when just after THING Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:50:11 +0300 Message-ID: <83k2hi7lks.fsf@gnu.org> References: < <67e48e39-f31f-5170-a552-ac33509ffcd6@gmail.com> <<8337o79arh.fsf@gnu.org> <0e2c9c67-12a2-4712-92d2-e3c204f46838@default> <83twgn7hjx.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466513550 25736 80.91.229.3 (21 Jun 2016 12:52:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 12:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9300@debbugs.gnu.org To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 21 14:52:22 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bFLA8-0007Y3-6H for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 14:52:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51511 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bFLA7-0003oq-Dc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:52:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35789) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bFL9y-0003mp-6x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:52:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bFL9t-0005Aa-VJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:52:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:36403) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bFL9t-0005AV-Rk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:52:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bFL9t-0002bL-M3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:52:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 12:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9300 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9300-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9300.14665134779947 (code B ref 9300); Tue, 21 Jun 2016 12:52:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9300) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2016 12:51:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48740 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bFL97-0002aK-LJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:51:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44574) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bFL95-0002a5-Ne for 9300@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:51:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bFL8x-000540-C4 for 9300@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:51:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43552) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bFL8x-00053w-92; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4726 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bFL8w-0000ih-Du; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:51:02 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= on Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:14:22 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:119872 Archived-At: > From: Andreas Röhler > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:14:22 +0200 > > On 20.06.2016 22:04, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 10:50:27 -0700 (PDT) > >> From: Drew Adams > >> Cc: f92capac@gmail.com, 9300@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru > >> > >>> FWIW, I agree with Dmitry: this has been a de-facto behavior long > >>> enough to consider it the correct one. If documentation is confusing > >>> in that it says otherwise, we should fix the documentation. > >> I couldn't disagree more. > >> > >> It is wrong to consider the current behavior "the correct one", > >> regardless of how long it has been in place. It is wrong because > >> you cannot use it in a general and precise way. It is just broken. > >> It has been broken for a long time, but it is broken nevertheless. > > That's immaterial. It is being used in many places, and it's > > obviously useful. > > It is useful, but not in the way of the lemma "at-point". At-point means > at cursor-position. Yes, the de-facto behavior is actually "at or around point".