From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 12:34:22 +0200 Message-ID: <83k18ad5ch.fsf@gnu.org> References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> <83sgn0g9j5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgmyvm9d.fsf@gmx.de> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="144086"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: wrglin@gmail.com, 38079@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Albinus Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 08 11:36:01 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1cV-000bHO-5F for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 11:35:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51992 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1cT-0005ao-V9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:35:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50687) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1bb-0004aR-DQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:35:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1ba-0008Qv-2q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:35:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35896) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1bZ-0008QG-Ve for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:35:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1bZ-0007Zi-RL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:35:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 10:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38079 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 38079-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38079.157320928029031 (code B ref 38079); Fri, 08 Nov 2019 10:35:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2019 10:34:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44701 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1bE-0007YA-1R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:34:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41598) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1bC-0007Xr-Ge for 38079@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:34:38 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35502) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1b7-0008Jl-4l; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:34:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3620 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1b6-0000qb-EP; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:34:32 -0500 In-reply-to: <87sgmyvm9d.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:51:42 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:171190 Archived-At: > From: Michael Albinus > Cc: Wanrong Lin , 38079@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:51:42 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> But I don't understand the underlying difficulty to ensure > >> system-name never changes. > > > > There are two system calls that return this information on Windows, > > and they treat the letter-case differently. The second system call > > needs the winsock layer to be initialized, and we don't want to do > > that at startup because it causes various problems (sorry, I no longer > > remember the details of that part). So we only call the network-aware > > system call after some network connection is available. > > Shouldn't we document this in etc/PROBLEMS? What would you suggest to document? This is an internal detail of the Emacs implementation, and users have no control on the results. Maybe I'm missing something, but what useful workarounds can we suggest?