From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30994: bug#45857: 28.0.50; Not possible to set package-user-dir in early-init.el Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 20:25:49 +0200 Message-ID: <83k0se9hw2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83o8hrbbv6.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7njb6a5.fsf@gnu.org> <835z3ybpsj.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14791"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ola.x.nilsson@axis.com, 45857@debbugs.gnu.org, 30994@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 15 19:27:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l0ToV-0003kW-62 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 19:27:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47954 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l0ToU-0006km-3c for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:27:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54998) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l0ToL-0006jH-VD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:27:01 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:58418) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l0ToL-0008Im-Nb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:27:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l0ToL-0002eU-JF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:27:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30994 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 30994-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30994.161073516610128 (code B ref 30994); Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:27:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 30994) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2021 18:26:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41729 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l0TnR-0002dF-0l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:26:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l0TnM-0002cd-C1; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:26:03 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35184) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l0TnF-0007uW-A3; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:25:53 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3673 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l0TnC-0005Np-PB; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:25:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 15 Jan 2021 11:08:52 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:197999 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: ola.x.nilsson@axis.com, 45857@debbugs.gnu.org, 30994@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 11:08:52 -0500 > > >> > Basically, some variables can only be usefully initialized after some > >> > part(s) of startup have happened already. One way of dealing with > >> > this is to have the variables record this information (e.g., in a > >> > plist of their symbol) that would allow us evaluate each variable only > >> > once, at the earliest opportunity where the prerequisites are > >> > fulfilled. > [...] > > I say we should get ready for the future now. Introducing the > > infrastructure I mentioned is not a big deal. > > Hmm... maybe I misunderstood what you meant by that infrastructure, then. > Could you outline more concretely what it would look like? In a nutshell: record the startup phase for each variable in a plits of its symbol. > Also, would it currently result in a behavior that's different from: > > - initialize all delayed vars before early-init > - re-initialize blink-cursor-mode after early-init > > ? With my proposal, blink-cursor-mode will not be mentioned by name in any of these places.