From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48504: Improve style of C-h t description (Preface) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 15:18:24 +0300 Message-ID: <83k0izinhr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83im3frgsr.fsf@gnu.org> <3195631d-1f4c-2b55-b7ed-9bb919458c76@gmail.com> <83h7izqx4l.fsf@gnu.org> <837djvq6n2.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26182"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: mrsebastianurban@gmail.com, 48504@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 29 14:20:39 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYZi-0006Yx-DN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:20:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43742 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYZh-0005gT-9X for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:20:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56574) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYYC-0005bG-JY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:19:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36480) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYYA-0004ln-6v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:19:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYYA-0000QX-1g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:19:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 12:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48504 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 48504-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48504.16329179081597 (code B ref 48504); Wed, 29 Sep 2021 12:19:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 48504) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2021 12:18:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48025 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYXc-0000Ph-Im for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:18:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51302) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYXa-0000PU-1k for 48504@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:18:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54142) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYXU-0004GE-Ir; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:18:20 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2260 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYXS-0006MY-4n; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:18:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 29 Sep 2021 05:07:09 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:215844 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 05:07:09 -0700 > Cc: Sebastian Urban , 48504@debbugs.gnu.org > > > To run the tutorial, start Emacs and type @kbd{C-h t} (that is, > > @kbd{Ctrl+H}, then @kbd{T}). The first @kbd should be @kbd{@key{Ctrl} H}, I think. For two reasons: . "Ctrl" is a single key, not 4 characters C t r l . "+" isn't something the user should type IOW, what you suggest violates our (and Texinfo's) conventions for markup of key sequences. Which is why I proposed a pure-English description that doesn't use any fancy markup that could only confuse at this point. Question: what do we gain from using "Ctrl+H" instead?