From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#53316: 28.0.91; Missing Transient manual in Emacs Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 10:46:28 +0200 Message-ID: <83k0drz1jv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o845s4xv.fsf@gnus.org> <87iltgcbqx.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tuczdcqo.fsf@bernoul.li> <6ar182selo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83r182105v.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1787"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rgm@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, jonas@bernoul.li, p.stephani2@gmail.com, 53316@debbugs.gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 19 09:47:37 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nLLOy-0000Hg-Ks for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:47:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58678 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nLLOx-0002o7-1S for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 03:47:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37884) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nLLOW-0002ne-D0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 03:47:08 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:34703) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nLLOQ-0001mm-3h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 03:47:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nLLOP-00082J-NX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 03:47:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 08:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53316 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 53316-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53316.164526041330877 (code B ref 53316); Sat, 19 Feb 2022 08:47:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 53316) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2022 08:46:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56833 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nLLOH-00081x-2x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 03:46:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58926) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nLLOF-00081k-99 for 53316@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 03:46:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=50370 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nLLO6-0001f4-GH; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 03:46:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=a0oSW3mWdq44bvbRAKvVkIAtDE7fKUzXByL8tx9aoq4=; b=G1/lNSMfzWJT gHqieN8fTevJH8U9Ld0rqC0Q7GdITlfqyG5cjIeD1/+qaD6rmaxTusxulwF9JO2hSxKE2NrDLf1Tk 9FPn1pLvaLAjfN1OmbfeUBMEyjliz2eRX3LrHvP3B6+23izRLCrFdIRL9GBusK448M05anWS1ObFI 6f/trk9YEhLCvNKNI5FYPBXM20tiubqNMxdB3xAgfp6PY4XLEk/POT5af/Lt69Wwf6A3E4lMrSM+j qi7uzjj0Z23rnX7eEofgQMILxHF27J2cnKfQBJZzqYrE+4C8s9ro1Ily6yyEYwY3OgtO/NaCmLJZz hQ37uRQ/vcZPnD3xKrBHrw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3239 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nLLNt-0001D7-Cy; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 03:46:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 18 Feb 2022 23:57:42 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:227174 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: rgm@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, jonas@bernoul.li, > p.stephani2@gmail.com, 53316@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 23:57:42 -0500 > > Would someone please post a review of what this issue is about? > I have not been following it -- I thought it was a technical issue > and assumed people would find a good solution -- but now it seems > maybe it goes beyond the level of technical. The original sources for this manual are in Org, but the program that produces Texinfo from the Org original has problems that need to be resolved before we can include the Org sources in the Emacs release tarball. The Org sources themselves also have several issues. The current Texinfo sources in the repository were heavily edited to solve many problems in the original version converted from Org to Texinfo, and that is how we intend to distribute that in Emacs 28.1. Work continues on solving the problems in the Org sources and in the conversion programs, with the goal of switching to the Org sources when this job is done to our satisfaction. I think having this manual, with all its deficiencies and issues, in the Emacs 28 tarball is better than not having any manual. Transient is a very non-trivial package, and I believe it would be impossible for users to use it without a decent manual.