From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64712: 29.0.92; Emacs 29 with native compilation compiles cl-loaddefs.el on every startup Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 14:29:47 +0300 Message-ID: <83jzt335g4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sf9l5gcd.fsf@gnu.org> <800ca9ba-a7bf-afb7-9f5c-28b728c46114@gutov.dev> <83o7jxnc33.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1j1lavn.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7ij96rb.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3084"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, acorallo@gnu.org, stephen.molitor@icloud.com, 64712@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 06 13:31:14 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qdqkc-0000f6-2c for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 13:31:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qdqkU-0000Ff-9n; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:31:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qdqkP-0000Di-EB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:31:01 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qdqkO-0000Gp-SD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:31:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qdqkP-0001C3-N2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:31:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 11:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64712 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 64712-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64712.169399981229068 (code B ref 64712); Wed, 06 Sep 2023 11:31:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64712) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2023 11:30:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33184 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qdqjb-0007XI-Gh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:30:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54748) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qdqjZ-00075s-Th for 64712@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:30:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qdqjS-0008NF-Qi; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:30:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=jKIZwxCyMA6yjotE8ohRY6CdvMDsw5mqsyuNQW8ImcM=; b=WO52WKKmjySf ag1brjBdLqCziDoS2/OAC9NoIaQs2hjHFL7nOEEIN89tNmkyez1evmKlvjZZdhiKpVlyKHMnThjSY jTxrUZT9w9X/W9gpvsn5U4/1D7EicUlrAhYur5vTTqIt5tMfNOwbp0x95CRYiVkooHFdSgKB1fkQr EOgvkeFv+UzUSH4yZb9KdoheFRDWEbJSen26cfEpDqin2M0R2FVJilWtmhShSL+7KufMJB30lqdLP TiNB+MaPe/+NA2KNcrws7VJl4Bp0ZfzcGBAZ1ss0nInwjNXgxsE+PEnOLDReSD+F66OsCysIEk8OV uVDxjs0Ozs2E1Fq3ft+dmw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 5 Sep 2023 16:11:16 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:269514 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 16:11:16 -0700 > Cc: acorallo@gnu.org, dmitry@gutov.dev, stephen.molitor@icloud.com, > 64712@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Not to slow down the build unnecessarily, I think. Basically, the > > same reason why we have "no-byte-compile: t" in some files: you get no > > gains from doing that, you just waste CPU time. And the waste is much > > more significant with native compilation. > > > >> I see that they were added in commit 6c11214dc112, but it doesn't > >> explain why. > > > > When that happens, I always search the mailing lists around the date > > of the commit. In this case, I found > > > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-09/msg00168.html > > > >> I personally can't see that it would make much of a difference if we > >> have them or not, but maybe I'm missing something. > > > > If nothing else, it will slow down startup (because each .eln files > > needs to be loaded via dlopen, as opposed to .elc that is dumped into > > the pdumper file), albeit insignificantly. But if we do this with all > > the autoload files we have, that could slow down in a more tangible > > ways. So basically we have here two minor annoyances: you can solve > > one, but then you "gain" the other one. > > Right. So perhaps we should just live with it, and close this as > wontfix. That would be my preference, given that we don't see any significantly better alternative.