From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:05:20 +0200 Message-ID: <83iow87x1b.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> <87li14koa8.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1383595622 13233 80.91.229.3 (4 Nov 2013 20:07:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 20:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jambunathan K Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 04 21:07:05 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VdQQS-0005nc-Id for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 21:07:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51817 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdQQS-0002UH-3W for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 15:07:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46797) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdQPa-0001WR-UJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 15:06:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdQPS-00019p-DX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 15:06:10 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:48841) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdQPS-00019k-AY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 15:06:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdQPR-0004h9-O5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 15:06:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15800 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 15800-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15800.138359554818028 (code B ref 15800); Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 20:05:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34627 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdQPE-0004gi-5a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 15:05:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:55264) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdQPB-0004gT-Dn for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 15:05:46 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MVR00C008A3GC00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:05:26 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MVR00CYP950ER50@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:05:24 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87li14koa8.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:79997 Archived-At: > From: Jambunathan K > Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 00:05:59 +0530 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > The 'S' label does not mean "press upper-case S", it says that this > > key will produce an upper-case S when used with Shift, and "some > > hebrew char" when used without Shift. > > If English Characters are not first class citizens of the script under > consideration, why even have them in first place. Having a Uppercase > ASCII but not having lowercase ASCII seems pretty useless to me. i.e., > it gives me a feature that I don't need in the first place. Simply enough, this is how the Hebrew keyboard look like. The input method simply emulates that. > Anyways, this bug is a good excuse to re-look at why such a decision was > made and whether it is actually useful in practice. It is extremely useful to those who are used to this keyboard layout, because it allows them to type in a familiar environment.