bug#37815: [PATCH] Update FAQ entry on XEmacs

bug#37815: [PATCH] Update FAQ entry on XEmacs

[Stefan Kangas]

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I think it's time to update this FAQ entry.  Comments?

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

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From 3e6761546a85eb7b5c7f5b500fa3e758c087e5c9 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:16:50 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Update FAQ entry on XEmacs

* doc/misc/efaq.texi (Difference between Emacs and XEmacs): Update
section to reflect the current state of affairs.  XEmacs is not
actively developed and are lacking many important features of Emacs.
---
 doc/misc/efaq.texi | 30 ++++++++++++------------------
 1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)

diff --git a/doc/misc/efaq.texi b/doc/misc/efaq.texi
index bb79b6c837..275ccd6f8d 100644
--- a/doc/misc/efaq.texi
+++ b/doc/misc/efaq.texi
@@ -3593,24 +3593,18 @@ Difference between Emacs and XEmacs
 @cindex Lucid Emacs
 @cindex Epoch
 
-XEmacs is a branch version of Emacs.  It was first called Lucid Emacs,
-and was initially derived from a prerelease version of Emacs 19.  In
-this FAQ, we use the name ``Emacs'' only for the official version.
-
-Emacs and XEmacs each come with Lisp packages that are lacking in the
-other.  The two versions have some significant differences at the Lisp
-programming level.  Their current features are roughly comparable,
-though the support for some operating systems, character sets and
-specific packages might be quite different.
-
-Some XEmacs code has been contributed to Emacs, and we would like to
-use other parts, but the earlier XEmacs maintainers did not always
-keep track of the authors of contributed code, which makes it
-impossible for the FSF to get copyright papers signed for that code.
-(The FSF requires these papers for all the code included in the Emacs
-release, aside from generic C support packages that retain their
-separate identity and are not integrated into the code of Emacs
-proper.)
+XEmacs was a branch version of Emacs that is no longer actively
+developed.  XEmacs was first called Lucid Emacs, and was initially
+derived from a prerelease version of Emacs 19.  In this FAQ, we use
+the name ``Emacs'' only for the official version.
+
+XEmacs last released a new version on January 30, 2009, and it lacks
+many important features that exists in Emacs.  In the past, it was not
+uncommon for Emacs packages to include code for compatibility with
+XEmacs.  Nowadays, although some packages still maintain such
+compatibility code, several of the more popular built-in and third
+party packages have either stopped supporting XEmacs or was developed
+exclusively for Emacs.
 
 If you want to talk about these two versions and distinguish them,
 please call them ``Emacs'' and ``XEmacs.''  To contrast ``XEmacs''
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2.23.0

bug#37815: [PATCH] Update FAQ entry on XEmacs

[Juanma Barranquero]

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+XEmacs.  Nowadays, although some packages still maintain such
+compatibility code, several of the more popular built-in and third
+party packages have either stopped supporting XEmacs or was developed
+exclusively for Emacs.

s/was/were/ in the next-to-last line, I think.

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bug#37815: [PATCH] Update FAQ entry on XEmacs

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:19:47 +0200
> 
> I think it's time to update this FAQ entry.  Comments?

I think we should keep some of the text that talks about copyright
assignment problems in XEmacs sources, in case people would want to
borrow some of that code and submit it to Emacs.

Otherwise, SGTM, thanks.

bug#37815: [PATCH] Update FAQ entry on XEmacs

[Stefan Kangas]

Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>: writes

> +XEmacs.  Nowadays, although some packages still maintain such
> +compatibility code, several of the more popular built-in and third
> +party packages have either stopped supporting XEmacs or was developed
> +exclusively for Emacs.
>
> s/was/were/ in the next-to-last line, I think.

Thanks, fixed that.

bug#37815: [PATCH] Update FAQ entry on XEmacs

[Stefan Kangas]

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> > I think it's time to update this FAQ entry.  Comments?
>
> I think we should keep some of the text that talks about copyright
> assignment problems in XEmacs sources, in case people would want to
> borrow some of that code and submit it to Emacs.
>
> Otherwise, SGTM, thanks.

I just kept the old text, since I couldn't find a way to shorten it.
I'm not sure if there is any code left in XEmacs that we are very keen
on using these days?  If not, perhaps we could reword it.

I've attached a tentative patch here.  What do you think?

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

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From 5750c7fd6285f9156e69dbe785dc6c49d028bd55 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:16:50 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Update FAQ entry on XEmacs (Bug#37815)

* doc/misc/efaq.texi (Difference between Emacs and XEmacs): Update
section to reflect the current state of affairs.  XEmacs is not
actively developed and is lacking many important features of Emacs.
---
 doc/misc/efaq.texi | 21 ++++++++++++---------
 1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)

diff --git a/doc/misc/efaq.texi b/doc/misc/efaq.texi
index bb79b6c837..dc1fb1390a 100644
--- a/doc/misc/efaq.texi
+++ b/doc/misc/efaq.texi
@@ -3593,15 +3593,18 @@ Difference between Emacs and XEmacs
 @cindex Lucid Emacs
 @cindex Epoch
 
-XEmacs is a branch version of Emacs.  It was first called Lucid Emacs,
-and was initially derived from a prerelease version of Emacs 19.  In
-this FAQ, we use the name ``Emacs'' only for the official version.
-
-Emacs and XEmacs each come with Lisp packages that are lacking in the
-other.  The two versions have some significant differences at the Lisp
-programming level.  Their current features are roughly comparable,
-though the support for some operating systems, character sets and
-specific packages might be quite different.
+XEmacs was a branch version of Emacs that is no longer actively
+developed.  XEmacs was first called Lucid Emacs, and was initially
+derived from a prerelease version of Emacs 19.  In this FAQ, we use
+the name ``Emacs'' only for the official version.
+
+XEmacs last released a new version on January 30, 2009, and it lacks
+many important features that exists in Emacs.  In the past, it was not
+uncommon for Emacs packages to include code for compatibility with
+XEmacs.  Nowadays, although some packages still maintain such
+compatibility code, several of the more popular built-in and third
+party packages have either stopped supporting XEmacs or were developed
+exclusively for Emacs.
 
 Some XEmacs code has been contributed to Emacs, and we would like to
 use other parts, but the earlier XEmacs maintainers did not always
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2.23.0

bug#37815: [PATCH] Update FAQ entry on XEmacs

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 13:48:02 +0200
> Cc: 37815@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > I think we should keep some of the text that talks about copyright
> > assignment problems in XEmacs sources, in case people would want to
> > borrow some of that code and submit it to Emacs.
> >
> > Otherwise, SGTM, thanks.
> 
> I just kept the old text, since I couldn't find a way to shorten it.
> I'm not sure if there is any code left in XEmacs that we are very keen
> on using these days?  If not, perhaps we could reword it.
> 
> I've attached a tentative patch here.  What do you think?

It's fine, thanks.

bug#37815: [PATCH] Update FAQ entry on XEmacs

[Stefan Kangas]

close 37815 27.1
quit

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> > I've attached a tentative patch here.  What do you think?
>
> It's fine, thanks.

Thanks, now pushed to master as commit f22a1008a1.  Closing.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas