From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46472: Make lisp/mail/uce.el obsolete Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:58:51 +0200 Message-ID: <83im6we6v8.fsf@gnu.org> References: Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33398"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 46472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 13 09:00:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lApqe-0008bA-06 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:00:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57422 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lApqd-00082g-2T for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:00:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57458) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lApqV-00082W-10 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:00:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:50191) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lApqU-0008HA-Pa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:00:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lApqU-0002Q4-Na for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:00:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 08:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 46472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46472.16132031429208 (code B ref 46472); Sat, 13 Feb 2021 08:00:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2021 07:59:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33504 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAppW-0002OS-Es for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 02:59:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39482) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAppU-0002Nx-0s for 46472@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 02:59:01 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45086) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAppO-0007hW-9T; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 02:58:54 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1975 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lAppN-0008K7-8J; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 02:58:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 12 Feb 2021 15:58:53 -0600) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:199899 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 15:58:53 -0600 > > ;; The code in this file provides a semi-automatic means of replying > ;; to unsolicited commercial email (UCE) you might get. > > It sends an email to the sender, as well as the abuse and postmaster > emails for the senders domain containing a fairly polite request to be > taken off any lists. I think these days, it is pointless to reply to > spam, and no one is (or should be) doing it. It only verifies to the > spammers that your email is valid, which is useful information to them > and will do nothing but ensure you stay on their list. > > This seems like a relic from a more gentle and perhaps naive time of the > internet. Nowadays, people should not waste their time on doing that, > but instead use a spam filter. > > IOW, I think this library is useless these days. > > So how about moving it to obsolete/? What are the reasons for moving uce.el to obsolete/ ? What you say above was always true: replying to spam bears an inherent risk. This didn't change in any way, so how will we justify obsoleting this package now? I don't think our personal opinions on which is or isn't useful practices are reasons good enough to make it harder for others to use those practices if they so wish. It isn't our prerogative to tell others what to do or not to do in these circumstances. So my vote is against obsoleting this package, if the above reasoning is the only grounds for that.