From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48249: 28.0.50; Regression: emacs confused about window configuration due to ido-mode and/or winner-mode Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 13:15:00 +0300 Message-ID: <83im3wdv8b.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zgx8wmew.fsf@secretsauce.net> <531453ddd62d1011193c@heytings.org> <831rakffuj.fsf@gnu.org> <531453ddd66aad05f4af@heytings.org> <83pmy4dwv1.fsf@gnu.org> <531453ddd625bf0ea1b9@heytings.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5585"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 48249@debbugs.gnu.org, dima@secretsauce.net To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 06 12:17:05 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1leb45-0001Kv-28 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 12:17:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53788 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1leb43-0005nV-JJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 06:17:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52524) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1leb34-0004uq-U1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 06:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:53905) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1leb34-0002Qo-LI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 06:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1leb34-0004y2-Go for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 06:16:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 10:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48249 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 48249-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48249.162029612016637 (code B ref 48249); Thu, 06 May 2021 10:16:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 48249) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2021 10:15:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37212 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1leb2N-0004Jp-Ud for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 06:15:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44118) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1leb2L-0004CQ-Sn for 48249@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 06:15:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55442) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1leb2G-0001ur-48; Thu, 06 May 2021 06:15:12 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2943 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1leb2F-0000f9-5X; Thu, 06 May 2021 06:15:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <531453ddd625bf0ea1b9@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Thu, 06 May 2021 09:57:04 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:205801 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 09:57:04 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > cc: 48249@debbugs.gnu.org, dima@secretsauce.net > > > More generally, that's development for you; without risking such > > destabilization from time to time we can never afford significant > > improvements. The important question is: will the new-and-improved > > behavior be useful or won't it? > > Indeed perhaps the most important question here is: is this a "significant > improvement"? IMO, the answer is clearly "no". I know, and I think that opinion makes your judgment of the results too severe. > > Yes, of course. The introduction of bidirectional editing support > > during development of Emacs 24.1 comes to mind. > > That was, of course, a significant improvement that was worth taking the > risk of destabilization. I wish you were here when that was introduced and heard some of the opinions voiced back then (and still being voiced from time to time).