From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#53188: 28.0.90; if tooltip-mode is off, modeline context menu blocks minibuffer at column 36 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 15:48:30 +0200 Message-ID: <83ilun3fwx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <7ea6e621-6d7b-7b2-2cd6-25da43551ed@SDF.ORG> <83mtk26vm9.fsf@gnu.org> <16f899bf-98e3-662-c5b7-21f120a86a0@SDF.ORG> <83y23k2bxd.fsf@gnu.org> <19ac9b5c-a097-82da-80c-361b66415a16@SDF.ORG> <83o84f3j65.fsf@gnu.org> <9a641db5-38aa-c751-292e-e3fe3ee09cd0@SDF.ORG> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35916"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 53188@debbugs.gnu.org To: Van Ly Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 13 14:49:19 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n80Td-0009EX-OL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 14:49:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56400 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n80Tc-0001Cu-AR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:49:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58058) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n80TP-0001CJ-GW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:49:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39391) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n80TO-00089C-Nd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:49:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n80TO-0001Y1-I4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:49:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53188 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed Original-Received: via spool by 53188-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53188.16420817225912 (code B ref 53188); Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 53188) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2022 13:48:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60527 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n80T3-0001XI-SM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:48:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57178) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n80T1-0001X1-QX for 53188@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:48:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=43788 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n80Sw-00086E-ES; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:48:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=X6czC9CKhj8LS2bv7pgabBRSPRKzF9mAjbZbX7h6aUQ=; b=nrR7v8sBaUVA ioichxVPu0wBnNVSJyyWlv91FYpJ9mUUwxn1bB3Mu6rrVKipHk1Bhq0TcjAwr80UmPw4/fW/Qv/K/ XTs4uglSJpeIhfYfw5dT64PXL/4ZTfT+B73kZLmDeeQ7hRpsbHb2QNt5LyC7UyEqu5QoamfGPF4IB 12i3QZvNq1ikcJtGJs7nrPCXElVM/uyyM+cGZm/s5nGqEAjZibI7qv7odswYnbziE6CJK8G/IzY5c 4q2GfAjmqhKWk/XTE2mhwBXhVDUCygeT2LP8kbr60VTvQKJWTjB+xDq3dGKPTX2Z+RwXUj5LN1TsF Ud0TShW9dLao0veudXc+PA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2378 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n80Sw-0002g4-Df; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:48:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: <9a641db5-38aa-c751-292e-e3fe3ee09cd0@SDF.ORG> (message from Van Ly on Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:24:43 +0000 (UTC)) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:224110 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:24:43 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: 53188@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> The text associated with the tooltip is helpful early on but becomes > >> an annoying visual nag once you are familiar with what that thing > >> does. I had tooltip-mode set nil. I didn't expect the echo area to > >> contain the tooltip. There was text in the echo area and I couldn't > >> get the modeline context menu out of the way to read it. When I > >> restarted in 'emacs -Q' to report the bug I discovered the echo area > >> partially contained the tooltip text because tooltip-mode is default > >> on. My point is if there is text I want, I want to be able to read > >> all of it. If I've set tooltip-mode nil then I expect tooltip text > >> masked out from every output channel. > > > > So you are actually asking for a new feature, whereby the tooltips are > > not shown at all, is that right? > > > > No. I think, I'm asking for the echo area to be readable when text > is there. Then I don't understand what you wanted to say by this part: > >> I had tooltip-mode set nil. I didn't expect the echo area to > >> contain the tooltip. There was text in the echo area and I couldn't > >> get the modeline context menu out of the way to read it. This seems to mean that you don't want the tooltip text to be displayed in the echo area. But if it isn't displayed in the echo area, where do you want it to be displayed? > When I've disabled the text associated with the tooltip by > setting tooltip-mode to nil, I assumed I wouldn't have reached this > point where I have to ask for the tooltip text not to show. The doc string of tooltip-mode says, among other things: When Tooltip mode is disabled, Emacs displays help text in the echo area, instead of making a pop-up window.