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Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ph7ZO-0006XH-G6; Tue, 28 Mar 2023 07:32:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:06:17 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:258796 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:06:17 +0300 > Cc: wkirschbaum@gmail.com, casouri@gmail.com, 62333@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > > On 27/03/2023 16:39, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 08:24:42 +0000 > >> From: Gregory Heytings > >> cc: Eli Zaretskii,wkirschbaum@gmail.com,casouri@gmail.com, > >> 62333@debbugs.gnu.org > >> > >>>> Which is a fragile, semi-broken means, as we all know. > >>> What is a broken mess, is user-level narrowing. And how the downstream > >>> code can never guess the purpose the narrowing was applied for. > >> Note that this is what labeled narrowings attempts to solve. > > Labeled narrowing cannot solve this because it does nothing to > > alleviate the problems with user-defined narrowing. So if the user > > narrows the buffer, we cannot do anything to safely widen in the > > general case, and labeled narrowing cannot help us. > > Is that because we don't think the user level narrowing is done purely > for visual effect? Indeed, it isn't always for visual effect. > judging by regular user requests for make this or that command > ignore user-level narrowing, it seems like "purely visual" should be the > default interpretation. I think you base your judgment on feedback from users who are not used to take advantage of narrowing in editing. I think most young people aren't, since this feature is more-or-less unique to Emacs.