From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64871: 30.0.50; [FR] Add command and menu item to open user init file Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:03:53 +0300 Message-ID: <83ila4jl92.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87jzun7x34.fsf@localhost> <871qguxirf.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sf99ncfi.fsf@gnu.org> <87ila57o10.fsf@localhost> <83bkfxn392.fsf@gnu.org> <87cz0d7md3.fsf@localhost> <837cqln0nb.fsf@gnu.org> <874jlofods.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20196"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 64871@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 28 14:04:43 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qPMD4-0004ye-1G for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:04:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qPMCe-00057Q-Ru; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:04:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qPMCR-000545-JZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:04:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qPMCQ-000374-Fg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:04:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qPMCP-00049L-WF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:04:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:04:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64871 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 64871-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64871.169054579315855 (code B ref 64871); Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:04:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64871) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jul 2023 12:03:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43947 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qPMBc-00047f-RP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:03:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qPMBb-00047S-HK for 64871@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:03:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qPMBW-0002u1-83; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:03:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Bq1Q2h04NWlsIYGjHHiRZTv/7mt0yFAFwvyoqXz2oTE=; b=jBUowBpr17lH Gu/Y7ASjX1J6x93764b41afpW9+jggOGtTqhQ5r/FHI8tCi9mgeZe12Z7I6OGCSq6DFbzi9uLzjHt 5/kQbaI3dWV62qDvP6LHDlCGJLY9B5w3QnUjQIKsXyxuh7f7tHGa1zGuejoPv3/EEmcnHMpdrvg1Y ao19Z916tFi54061rm8hqkTEc85HWQu7na7G7KYQ1LlhuGvQxlNhBjgtHUwmRQUZ/9s2fJs39cPkO 5BUT6J7vX7HwoB2sU0aXpLTDd9WPWY0B5ITkalddUxUldClz8YHqHbq7SKah/mkLqYEiW/mzJR4VQ 9bg2TUNrgugxPLJ7VvFZvw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qPMBQ-00074Z-Re; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:03:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <874jlofods.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:09:51 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:266260 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 64871@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:09:51 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> Not helpful: > >> 1. "Top-level customization group" has help-echo "The master group > >> called 'Emacs'" - it does not clarify anything for me. > >> 2. "Browse customization groups" has help-echo "Browse all customization > >> groups" - what new information does it provide? > > > > Feel free to suggest better help strings. (I really don't understand > > how are those "not helpful", but that's me.) > > What about > > 1. "Explore all Emacs customizations" > 2. "Abbreviated overview of all Emacs customizations" That's inaccurate. How about: "Top-level groups of customizable options, and their descriptions." "Tree-like browser of all the groups of customizable options."