From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13149: 24.3.50; Emacs thinks file was changed outside Emacs, but it was not Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:55:44 +0200 Message-ID: <83hak71g8f.fsf@gnu.org> References: <6CDE13E3BCAA4AFAAB8BCE105C6ABF12@us.oracle.com> <50F7D358.9030100@gmail.com> <50F86E12.3040707@cs.ucla.edu> <50F8D150.8030200@gmail.com> <50F8D731.5020001@cs.ucla.edu> <50F8D93B.1040901@yandex.ru> <50F8DCCB.1030602@cs.ucla.edu> <83a9s67wlr.fsf@gnu.org> <50F9C009.9060708@cs.ucla.edu> <50F9D213.3070901@yandex.ru> <50F9EF01.5000703@cs.ucla.edu> <50F9F250.1030406@yandex.ru> <50FA06F1.2000308@cs.ucla.edu> <50FA1AEF.9070700@yandex.ru> <50FA265E.80301@cs.ucla.edu> <22A7346C22DB439382C55EF3F7398DBA@us.oracle.com> <510C4008.6070609@cs.ucla.edu> <83halvaw4o.fsf@gnu.org> <84hak7g4vn.fsf@siart.de> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1363712194 19822 80.91.229.3 (19 Mar 2013 16:56:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13149@debbugs.gnu.org To: Uwe Siart Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 19 17:56:55 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UHzqG-0006KW-ML for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:56:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57264 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UHzpt-0001Ap-NG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:56:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60679) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UHzpp-000179-B6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:56:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UHzpn-00019F-VT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:56:25 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:60068) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UHzpn-000193-TE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:56:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UHzrP-0002kT-CO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:58:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13149 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: unreproducible moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 13149-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13149.136371225510520 (code B ref 13149); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:58:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13149) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Mar 2013 16:57:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35944 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UHzqw-0002jc-Fd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:57:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:62194) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UHzqt-0002jT-Se for 13149@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:57:33 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MJX00A002WLAB00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 13149@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:55:49 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MJX00ADZ30U7C30@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:55:49 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <84hak7g4vn.fsf@siart.de> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:72714 Archived-At: > From: Uwe Siart > Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:39:40 +0100 > > Now that 24.3 windows binaries have been released I observe exactly the > same problem on my XP box. I don't know how to reproduce it 100%. It > happens sporadically, but it happens. And yes, my user files are on a > FAT32 partition. > > Is there a fix for it, e.g. some customization? The fix for this bug is in the trunk, it didn't make it into Emacs 24.3. So I don't think you can do anything to avoid these annoyances, especially since you don't build your Emacs (if you did, I could perhaps show you how to work around that by a simple source change). > Should I avoid FAT32? Or do we have to live with it? I can only say that I never saw this on NTFS filesystems that I use every day with Emacs 24.3. (Why do you use FAT32, btw? it's so much worse than NTFS.)