From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:59:17 +0300 Message-ID: <83h9sibt0q.fsf@gnu.org> References: <861tjn3069.fsf@yandex.ru> <552D20B6.8030005@yandex.ru> <83mw2abul3.fsf@gnu.org> <552D34BC.4090806@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429027284 29513 80.91.229.3 (14 Apr 2015 16:01:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 16:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 14 18:01:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi3Gx-0005r6-Li for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:01:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56730 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi3Gx-0004Zd-1l for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:01:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59900) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi3G1-0003kj-Rk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:00:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi3Fv-0002U6-Df for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:00:13 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38372) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi3Fv-0002TD-85 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:00:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi3Ft-0004Tu-NB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:00:05 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 16:00:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20322 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20322-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20322.142902715517132 (code B ref 20322); Tue, 14 Apr 2015 16:00:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Apr 2015 15:59:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56381 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi3F5-0004SG-0i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:59:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:37563) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi3F2-0004Rz-0q for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:59:13 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NMS00H00ZNSQD00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:59:05 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NMT00HU40EGPR30@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:59:05 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <552D34BC.4090806@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101521 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:39:40 +0300 > From: Dmitry Gutov > CC: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org > > On 04/14/2015 06:25 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > The alternative is not to configure indentation at all, but instead to > > use the defaults, which are quite reasonable. > > No, they're not. Then by all means let's fix those modes whose defaults aren't. > I'm not 100% sure what's the split in C and C++ communities The vast majority of people I work with use tabs, FWIW. > Even folks who want tabs have to configure stuff, because of our > `tab-width' default (which is indeed something we cannot change now): > http://stackoverflow.com/a/21788651/615245 Our tab-width default is simply the default tab width everywhere.