From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22866: 24.5; 'C-h S' leads to inaccurate result Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 18:56:36 +0200 Message-ID: <83h9gq6ssb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <16fa0843-cc8a-4ad4-a627-50ded0d70c3b@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456851478 10752 80.91.229.3 (1 Mar 2016 16:57:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 16:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: i@introo.me, 22866@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 01 17:57:47 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbl-000747-4Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 17:57:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50976 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbk-0007xj-Oq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:57:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37481) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbf-0007vs-0o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:57:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aanba-0000hb-Re for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:57:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:59411) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aanba-0000hQ-Oj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:57:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aanba-0007yu-HW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:57:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 16:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22866 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22866-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22866.145685141730669 (code B ref 22866); Tue, 01 Mar 2016 16:57:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22866) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2016 16:56:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56538 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbV-0007yb-D0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:56:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46293) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbU-0007yP-4i for 22866@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:56:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbL-0000af-Qs for 22866@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:56:50 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35853) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbL-0000ab-NU; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:56:47 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2247 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbK-0006Q6-4I; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:56:47 -0500 In-reply-to: <16fa0843-cc8a-4ad4-a627-50ded0d70c3b@default> (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 1 Mar 2016 06:52:53 -0800 (PST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:114256 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 06:52:53 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > > For the function `delete-char'. 'C-h S' takes me to: > > (emacs)Top > Killing > Deletion and Killing > Deletion > > However, it should go to: (elisp)Top > Text > Deletion > > Why do you think so? This is a user command, not just an > Elisp function. An Emacs user looking for information about > it interactively will expect to go to its description in the > Emacs manual. If we have to choose one or the other, we > should, I think, favor user help, especially for a command. > > That said... (1) Maybe we could cross-reference the one from > the other manual? (2) It might be good if `C-h S' popped > up a buffer of links to references in both manuals. (3) It > would be good if *Help* output from `C-h f' and `C-h k' > provided links to the manuals (both). I think the way to solve this is to have a new Help command that would specifically look up a function name in the ELisp manual.