From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48117: 28.0.50; Update of loaddefs.el during normal build is unreliable Date: Sun, 02 May 2021 21:54:42 +0300 Message-ID: <83h7jl6k5p.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8335v8c7o0.fsf@gnu.org> <2weeer23xj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15214"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 48117@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 02 21:03:06 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ldHMt-0003qo-Vi for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 May 2021 21:03:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39302 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldHMt-0006ma-06 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 May 2021 15:03:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58746) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldHG7-0000Oi-0H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2021 14:56:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60881) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldHG6-0000Yj-60 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2021 14:56:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ldHG6-00087M-5M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2021 14:56:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 02 May 2021 18:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 48117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48117.161998171031188 (code B ref 48117); Sun, 02 May 2021 18:56:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 48117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 May 2021 18:55:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44190 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ldHFG-00086x-FR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2021 14:55:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50256) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ldHFD-00086c-Nj for 48117@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2021 14:55:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38450) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldHF6-0008I0-Vp for 48117@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2021 14:55:01 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1896 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ldHF5-00037H-Oj; Sun, 02 May 2021 14:55:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Glenn Morris on Sun, 02 May 2021 12:59:17 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:205445 Archived-At: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 48117@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 02 May 2021 12:59:17 -0400 > > Glenn Morris wrote: > > > Another idea, FWIW: > > In the make rule for $(lisp)/loaddefs.el, if loaddefs.el exists and is > > older than ldefs-boot.el, start by copying the latter to the former. > > This ought to limit how outdated loaddefs can get? > > BTW, I think this might actually make things worse in terms of detecting > new secondary loaddefs files like texinfo-loaddefs (not that those > happen very often), by bumping the timestamp on the primary loaddefs. But there's no such thing as detecting new secondary loaddefs, right? The only remedy for that is "make autoloads-force", right?