From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#49050: 26.1; The INSANITY of setting a default font size in EMACS and saving it for future instances. Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 22:08:22 +0300 Message-ID: <83h7hwz4ux.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wnqv2e7g.fsf@gnu.org> <83v96d26x5.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1h123wd.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38411"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dimech@gmx.com, 49050@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jeff B Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 17 21:58:03 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lty9K-0009nT-Mm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 21:58:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58680 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lty9J-0006d9-L8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 15:58:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56864) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltxNv-0005EX-7Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 15:09:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43620) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltxNu-00045e-Ld for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 15:09:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltxNu-0003bo-Cy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 15:09:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 19:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49050 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 49050-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49050.162395690613825 (code B ref 49050); Thu, 17 Jun 2021 19:09:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 49050) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2021 19:08:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55166 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltxNJ-0003au-Nu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 15:08:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58938) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltxNG-0003ad-Qy for 49050@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 15:08:24 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45818) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltxNB-0003dt-1y; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 15:08:17 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4865 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltxNA-00026U-GN; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 15:08:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Jeff B on Thu, 17 Jun 2021 14:48:52 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:208675 Archived-At: > Cc: 49050@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Jeff B > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 14:48:52 -0400 > > • Instead I would add an accessibility item either as an item to the >    Options menu or, better still, add it as a separate item to the menu >    bar.  That would make it easy to stumble upon.  :-) I agree that having that in the menus and/or on the tool bar is a better alternative. > • Which brings me to another point.  I accept that I probably have >    some weirdness in my environment which causes Save Options to >    fail, so solving that problem is probably on me.  BUT since saving >    options has never worked for me I am particularly sensitive to the >    issue of saving options. > >    As I understand it (because it has never worked for me) to save >    options chosen one not only has to make changes somewhere under >    the Options item but then one has to re-enter the Options menu and >    explicitly save the changes.  If it were up to me I'd reorganize that >    so that each Options menu item had Cancel, Apply and Save buttons >    so that you can save right then and there. > >    HOWEVER I recognize that would be a major refactoring of the code >    (I have been a hard-core programmer all of my professional life!) >    which would take a lot of work so it probably won't happen.  BUT, as >    I said, if it were up to me I'd do it. "Save Options" _must_ work. If it doesn't, it's a bug that needs to be fixed. The only situation where Save Options is not expected to save them is when you invoke Emacs with the -Q or -q switch. So if you invoke Emacs without -q/-Q, and Emacs doesn't save the font you customize, please report that with all the details as a bug, and allow us to fix it.