From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#67393: 29.1; Slow to open file if autosave exists Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 19:34:51 +0200 Message-ID: <83h6k69oec.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83a5r5gdxk.fsf@gnu.org> <87frztc7iy.fsf@localhost> <867cl4kg4l.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87cyuwdcb4.fsf@localhost> <868r5jse0m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83r0jbbg2z.fsf@gnu.org> <87mstz1l0b.fsf@localhost> <83bkafbdto.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkaf1iux.fsf@localhost> <83a5pzbbg7.fsf@gnu.org> <87zfxymdk6.fsf@localhost> <83jzp29q2v.fsf@gnu.org> <87tto6mc99.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15723"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: materus213@gmail.com, 67393@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 25 18:36:09 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rHos4-0003tF-U9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2023 18:36:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rHort-0001pE-SS; Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:35:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rHors-0001oy-3L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:35:56 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rHorr-0001nH-Rh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:35:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rHory-0005Mj-Fe for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:36:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 17:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 67393 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 67393-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B67393.170352570920544 (code B ref 67393); Mon, 25 Dec 2023 17:36:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 67393) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2023 17:35:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55276 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rHor6-0005LH-CO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:35:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34794) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rHor4-0005Ke-Nc for 67393@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:35:07 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rHoqr-0001R2-Vs; Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:34:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=wCYSX3hLJDwxAHXUhlqJMP6QcMMdW337rHLGH+cqq1I=; b=g0I7WL2RDbeu bHvlV8HWkYhg4odgNzyj/SzQQ2lBw6FS4DhsjiITBl2B2e5PwZk6qSHovGrth3Fu+F6LwwlZEPFB/ EE70o7hcveNlNnZ5EX/Nl6JMR7S99tAK4fTuJeo60t9irsNIyL2RRR2y+IbFNwQmUu8dlBHbMzjfi oT3nYJoQUHKMOsBX6HAVGItX0tNhMpUBVsAPp4ev3hyZVF43Gdrky2ZJeokeUittqoU9YoDSBpiCQ 1UbYpE2l/z0+xF5lmkUd6NxL8dJxioHLRR8KR5XbcV0AdlFBeMyeIlNrPjoiDaNuI1r/k4dS//aUM EIl0fQaEk5T442gc0FMA2Q==; In-Reply-To: <87tto6mc99.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Mon, 25 Dec 2023 17:18:42 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:276877 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: juri@linkov.net, stefankangas@gmail.com, materus213@gmail.com, > 67393@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 17:18:42 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > And having said that, I'm not sure this is a good idea even if we > > present enough context. For starters, many messages must be acted > > upon immediately. > > I'd argue that messages that _must_ be acted, should not be messages. > They should query user for action instead of blocking Emacs and not > allowing to do anything other than C-g. You do realize that this is contrary to everything we currently do in Emacs, right? We should the messages that must be acted upon immediately, and use sit-for to make sure the user sees the message and has an opportunity to act upon it. The message which started this discussion was just like that: it informed the user that an autosave file exists, so the user should consider using it. > > Thanks, but this would mean a complete redesign of the Emacs messaging > > UI. This kind of display no longer fits the mini-window paradigm we > > are using, it will need a separate large enough window for showing > > series of messages (in which case we don't need to much wizardry to > > scroll through them and selectively delete them). Do we really want > > to make such drastic changes in our UI? > > I believe that such changes would be helpful. Maybe so, but this will be an entirely different UX, and probably an entirely different Emacs.