From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11999: 24.1.50; New Info file suffix ".info" breaks `Info-find-node-2' Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:49:01 +0300 Message-ID: <83fw8dk8bm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <30361DAB51FE4AC487EBA7C11AACB36C@us.oracle.com> <831uk688pk.fsf@gnu.org> <35D365A3D0D0487CB7928FB2A672541D@us.oracle.com> <83sjcl7b5w.fsf@gnu.org> <83eho325d9.fsf@gnu.org> <83obn5ktb2.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9ynltar.fsf@gnu.org> <83zk6njk51.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1343371756 19153 80.91.229.3 (27 Jul 2012 06:49:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 11999@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 27 08:49:16 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SueMO-0003uM-0E for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 08:49:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57887 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SueMN-0002M0-4W for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 02:49:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41607) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SueMG-0002Ln-CR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 02:49:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SueMF-0003O0-63 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 02:49:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33167) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SueMF-0003Nw-2y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 02:49:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SueSv-0004wK-K2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 02:56:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11999 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 11999-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11999.134337215518977 (code B ref 11999); Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:56:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2012 06:55:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42713 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SueSo-0004w0-OM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 02:55:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:45473) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SueSl-0004vs-Ou for 11999@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 02:55:52 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M7T00J0047G5A00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 11999@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:48:55 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M7T00IX949JZX60@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:48:55 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:62449 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 11999@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:18:43 -0400 > > >> Note that most uses of `user-error' are correct in that they signal > >> conditions which are usually simply due to a mistaken manipulation > >> (such as trying to move past the EOB) > > That's a coincidence: we tend to want the no-debug behavior for user > > errors. Bu the feature is not about user errors, it's about not > > entering the debugger. > > No, it's not just a coincidence: if the problem is not due to the author > of the code having made a mistake, then it can basically only be due to > a mistake of the user in its larger sense (which includes the steps the > user or his sysadmin did to set up the system). Let's take the use case of typing "i foobar" and getting "No 'foobar' in index." in response. Whose fault/mistake is this?