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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 21472@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:18:19 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83fv2e706c.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55F98B34.4080703@cs.ucla.edu>

> Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 21472@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:31:00 -0700
> 
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > For example, any use of "magic" where no real magic (as in Gandalf
> > coming in and performing it) should be quoted, because the literal
> > meaning is too far-fetched.  Likewise in other similar situations,
> 
> I'll give you “magic” as that is a gray area, where it's no big deal either way, 
> but there are many other quotes that are clearly unnecessary, e.g.:
> 
>    Some mice have a ``wheel''

It's not a wheel, it's a button whose shape is round and which can be
rotated as well as pressed.  Wheels are what cars and bicycles have.

>    The @dfn{clipboard} is the facility that most graphical applications use for 
> ``cutting and pasting''.

We've always used "cut and paste" in quotes in Emacs, as it's not our
terminology.

>    If you exit Emacs while it is the current ``owner'' of the clipboard data,

Emacs doesn't own anything here: clipboard data is not some real
estate or money.

>    the @var{predicate} should return non-@code{nil} if the first element is 
> ``less'' than the second, or @code{nil} if not.

"Less" here is in the eyes of the beholder; arbitrary objects do not
have intrinsic order or comparison operators.  It's our invention.

> Quotes like these are a disservice to the reader: the reader must slow down and 
> process them and think “why is this phrase being quoted?” and the answer to that 
> question is not worth the cost of the mental processing.

On the contrary, these quotes are most natural, and no such questions
will ever pop up in anyone's mind.

> There is no need to quote the word “push” merely because it is used
> as a noun!

Of course, there is: you don't really "push" anything.  "Push" here is
jargon for copying DAG portions from one location to another.  A
chapter whose subject is VCS should know better.





  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-16 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-13 15:45 bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Drew Adams
2015-09-13 20:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-13 21:11   ` Drew Adams
2015-09-14  6:24     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-14 14:08 ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-15 15:57 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-15 16:00   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-15 16:22     ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-15 23:48       ` Drew Adams
2015-09-15 16:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-15 19:15     ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-15 23:48       ` Drew Adams
2015-09-16  6:56       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-16  7:32         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-16  7:48         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-16 10:02           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-15 23:48     ` Drew Adams
2015-09-15 23:48   ` Drew Adams
2015-09-16  7:23     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-16  7:49       ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-16 10:07         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-16 15:31           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-16 17:18             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-09-16 18:27               ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-16 18:34                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-16 20:31                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-17  4:46                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-17  5:21                       ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-17  6:03                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-17  7:21                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-17  7:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <<831tdz8yf8.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-09-15 23:48     ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<c7ebc07d-51c9-4d10-9238-d42b0b3845b7@default>
     [not found] ` <<83vbbe9j7k.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<661f3a80-cdaf-47f0-a096-4be744409150@default>
     [not found]     ` <<83pp1la58d.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-09-14 13:51       ` Drew Adams
2015-09-15  0:21         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <<55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]   ` <<3aa1fafa-ed4d-4935-8a3e-cae7d0842c5f@default>
     [not found]     ` <<83r3ly7rpd.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-09-16 15:16       ` Drew Adams

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