From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10980: GNU bugs information: logs for bug#10980 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 17:57:30 +0300 Message-ID: <83fus55l0l.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83twh3r5vr.fsf@gnu.org> <83d1na7jtx.fsf@gnu.org> <83k2hi54ml.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466607637 9198 80.91.229.3 (22 Jun 2016 15:00:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bo.johansson@lsn.se, 10980@debbugs.gnu.org To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 22 17:00:26 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bFjda-0007Ec-AF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2016 17:00:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58928 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bFjdZ-0005Ex-I6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2016 11:00:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59962) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bFjdQ-0005AW-Cq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2016 11:00:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bFjdK-0004X8-Ps for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2016 11:00:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:38951) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bFjdK-0004X4-Lk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2016 11:00:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bFjdK-0004qP-G0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2016 11:00:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10980 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10980-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10980.146660757118555 (code B ref 10980); Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:00:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10980) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jun 2016 14:59:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51288 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bFjcp-0004pC-4B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2016 10:59:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bFjck-0004ox-Up for 10980@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2016 10:59:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bFjcW-0004Pr-Kg for 10980@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2016 10:59:21 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41218) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bFjc7-0004Nt-OW; Wed, 22 Jun 2016 10:58:47 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1852 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bFjc1-0006qH-Ef; Wed, 22 Jun 2016 10:58:44 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Noam Postavsky on Tue, 21 Jun 2016 22:54:25 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:119933 Archived-At: > From: Noam Postavsky > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 22:54:25 -0400 > Cc: 10980@debbugs.gnu.org, bo.johansson@lsn.se > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: Noam Postavsky > >> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:03:21 -0400 > >> Cc: 10980@debbugs.gnu.org, bo.johansson@lsn.se > >> > >> I feel like I'm missing some important point here. If these > >> environment variables won't affect subprocess environments, why set > >> them at all? > > > > Because Emacs itself needs them. They must be in Emacs's environment, > > but don't have to be in Vprocess_environment. > > What does it need them for? Various features in Emacs rely on them to be present and valid (because that's what happens on Posix systems). > Just because Emacs consults the values from its environment? Yes. > Is there some reason not to use just plain old global variables? On all platforms, or just on Windows? In any case, doing that would mean a much larger job, even if it's possible. E.g., how do you deal with Lisp code that expects (expand-file-name "~") and (getenv "HOME") to yield the same value?