From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19822: url-retrieve: allow to fail when no document is associated with the URI Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 17:51:49 +0300 Message-ID: <83ftkca58b.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o8z2l4hs.fsf@gnus.org> <835zladzbx.fsf@gnu.org> <87wodqgs0z.fsf@gnus.org> <83tv8uchxf.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7aldf0d.fsf@gnus.org> <83imp8a8o0.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="140240"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 19822@debbugs.gnu.org, ivan@siamics.net To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 01 16:53:19 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iFJWf-000aGN-2v for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 16:53:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42952 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iFJWd-0007S3-Do for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:53:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41093) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iFJWT-0007Qt-Vo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:53:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iFJWQ-00032h-H2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:53:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:53709) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iFJWQ-00032I-EI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:53:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iFJWQ-00018z-8M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:53:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 14:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19822 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 19822-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19822.15699415294323 (code B ref 19822); Tue, 01 Oct 2019 14:53:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19822) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2019 14:52:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34297 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iFJVV-00017Y-JU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:52:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60113) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iFJVQ-000171-F7 for 19822@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:52:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34514) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iFJVF-0001hV-5P; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:51:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4676 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iFJVE-0000XL-FQ; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:51:48 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 1 Oct 2019 15:44:15 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:168015 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 15:44:15 +0200 > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 19822@debbugs.gnu.org, Ivan Shmakov > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > I don't feel very strongly about this, but I'm curious: Why don't you > > > want to obsolete at least some of them? I think they add user > > > confusion and are just not very helpful. > > > > How would obsoleting them help avoid that confusion? > > I think in at least two ways: > > 1. Obsoleting is a fairly strong sign that this is code that it's > probably better to avoid. > > 2. AFAIU, the point of obsoleting a file is to eventually remove it. > If it doesn't exist, it can't confuse anyone. I understand how removing will end the confusion. What I don't quite understand is how obsoleting will help avoiding the confusion. I think the obsolete messages just add to the confusion, not take away. Lars suggested to let this stuff become fallback, which means users will see the confusing stuff much less frequently. That made sense to me.