From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24774: 26.0.50; Menu display navigation commands Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:27:32 +0200 Message-ID: <83ft1krwuz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <63bb0f8f-86ff-a260-66a1-8a82d4ef6c9e@easy-emacs.de> <87r26bhaze.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87h7pml6ds.fsf@gnus.org> <837dmyvkt4.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1l6bwlw.fsf@gnus.org> <834ki2vjx2.fsf@gnu.org> <831rd6vime.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfbc4iyh.fsf@gmx.net> <20A0FFE1-60BC-4BB0-A840-15D8D39D1B1D@gnu.org> <87y2fc420p.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9076"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stephen.berman@gmx.net, stefan@marxist.se, 24774@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 25 16:28:29 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lFIZ2-0002Fg-3k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:28:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51872 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lFIZ1-0006AT-14 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:28:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47294) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lFIYc-00069K-6y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:28:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:55688) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lFIYb-0004oC-VO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:28:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lFIYb-0004wb-SU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:28:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 15:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24774 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: easy patch Original-Received: via spool by 24774-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24774.161426687518992 (code B ref 24774); Thu, 25 Feb 2021 15:28:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2021 15:27:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39001 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lFIYV-0004wG-5v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:27:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57628) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lFIYS-0004w2-D5 for 24774@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:27:54 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57471) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lFIYM-0004hp-K0; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:27:46 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4099 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lFIYL-0006bo-Eu; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:27:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87y2fc420p.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:09:58 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:200785 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: Stephen Berman , Stefan Kangas > , 24774@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:09:58 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I'm guessing that Stefan did this in a Git-versioned tree, where > > visiting a file loads vc-git.el, which loads diff-mode.el, which loads > > easymenu. > > Right. Even `C-h v' loads easymenu, so I think the conclusion here is > that it's difficult to do many normal operations in Emacs without > easymenu being loaded. So preloading it seems like the right thing to > do -- it'll make normal Emacs usage faster (and allow us to clean up > more ancient code at the same time). We never followed such logic, AFAIR. Quite the contrary: we tried to delay loading as log as we could. So maybe, for example, loading diff-mode just because a VC backend loads is not TRT. More generally, I'm afraid that not keeping this stuff in check will be a slippery slope, which will quickly lead to a much fatter Emacs process.