From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 20:13:17 +0300 Message-ID: <83fszntt1u.fsf@gnu.org> References: <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87eef9qg81.fsf@gnus.org> <1869622e162377be79e9@heytings.org> <83bladw0dh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6pxqdeg.fsf@gnus.org> <875z0lqcj4.fsf@gnus.org> <1869622e1602a39e56a6@heytings.org> <87a6pwvcrv.fsf@md5i.com> <1869622e165c625e097b@heytings.org> <874kg4vast.fsf@md5i.com> <1869622e166ad3c37a69@heytings.org> <87k0ozq3n8.fsf@gnus.org> <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <8735vnpqho.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2945"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, mwd@md5i.com, stefan@marxist.se, jasonspiro4@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, larsi@gnus.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 18 19:14:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lYAzr-0000e5-Uf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:14:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45988 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYAzr-0006Zt-0s for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:14:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49276) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYAzi-0006Yw-8y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:14:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36128) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYAzi-00020j-1F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:14:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lYAzh-0002AK-TL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:14:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.16187660338302 (code B ref 1305); Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:14:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Apr 2021 17:13:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47674 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lYAzV-00029l-Cm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:13:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36632) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lYAzT-00029Y-0T for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:13:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53271) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYAzN-0001ur-Ht; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:13:41 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4545 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lYAzL-0007b8-Rh; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:13:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Gregory Heytings on Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:02:35 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204379 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:02:35 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > Cc: Michael Welsh Duggan , jasonspiro4@gmail.com, > 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > > > I think, perhaps, introducing a new visible bell (across all significant > > system), that's considerably less intrusive than the ones we have today > > on GNU/Linux and Macos, might be an option. And then defaulting to > > using that. > > > > Gregory suggested blinking the cursor in a different colour -- perhaps? > > > > I attach a POC of what I have in mind. If this is being proposed as the default setting, then we should have a different default for TTY frames, because AFAIR cursor color cannot be changed there, right? > (sit-for 0.5) I think half a second is too long, a bell should be much shorter, like 0.1 sec or something.