From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#60639: Improvement to the Wording of GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 14:52:02 +0300 Message-ID: <83fs3r34f1.fsf@gnu.org> References: Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36921"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: one.last.kiss@outlook.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, 60639@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 06 13:53:15 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr5u-0009IM-9c for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 13:53:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr5j-0007Bg-0C; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:53:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr5h-0007BE-1d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:53:01 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr5g-00046O-Q1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:53:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr5h-0004WO-QA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:53:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 11:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 60639 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 60639-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B60639.169400114917339 (code B ref 60639); Wed, 06 Sep 2023 11:53:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 60639) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2023 11:52:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33217 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr5A-0004Va-N5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:52:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57884) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr57-0004VK-Cg for 60639@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:52:26 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr50-0003yz-6V; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:52:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=toaUxmTw/LekWfGU17jZIbsh1f3JWriBrt2RJ8NXxaE=; b=aYe6DvndzhMm 5Wzdp/0evZsuoOCy9kY5jE9m42ofAhnY61oEEMPtOfqByZR8moSwHahoxNS51UlvG/J3KecnGvAPZ IUDh7aIs+MGZ07XF8DjQtpPVdeuKTOq95t5yvkj6O7H86+JiKXLKixvAEL7FepFFg9cpUzPI9ED2y SWvzLAMuQK5SmJD5/eDGuHHtNa6foSdjTOBcocYdNIOthBK8hLx42oH2MYLvvUioGsPwhXNYzIwW+ ly/7DAFoIfqSlqzhNBzDQ/GGP/Khso1/ahUM+g/qaZIItAuAObF6YioBFgTogBKJVmzc7cV9EYb6K 2/ZmIJWv30LjTmmTlDV6cQ==; In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:46:08 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:269519 Archived-At: > Cc: "60639@debbugs.gnu.org" <60639@debbugs.gnu.org> > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:46:08 -0700 > > reopen 60639 > thanks > > Drew Adams writes: > > > A simple sentence such as this in Wikipedia can > > make things clear: > > > > "The symbol # is known variously in > > English-speaking regions as the number sign,[1] > > hash,[2] or pound sign.[3]" > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign > > Fair enough. > > The patch actually just adds it as an alternative, so in that sense it's > already okay. If there are no objections, I think we could install this > patch, then. Let's see if there are any other opinions first though. I don't mind installing it, but IMO its wording needs some improvement. Here's what I suggest to install: In most cases, an object's printed representation is also a read syntax for the object. However, some types have no read syntax, since it does not make sense to enter objects of these types as constants in a Lisp program. These objects are printed in @dfn{hash notation}, which consists of the characters @samp{#<}, a descriptive string (typically the type name followed by the name of the object), and a closing @samp{>}. (This is called ``hash notation'' because it begins with the @samp{#} character, known as ``hash'' or ``number sign''). For example: The main point here is that "hash notation" is NOT what's known as "number sign"; rather, the # character itself is known as "number sign".