From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32252: [PATCH] %o and %x now format signed numbers Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 05:41:38 +0300 Message-ID: <83effsujdp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <7e8dd084-7ab9-c2ce-1d6c-e673fa998f11@cs.ucla.edu> <6f720005-b5e4-5d1c-b4e8-a8992c7635c4@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1532493328 15045 195.159.176.226 (25 Jul 2018 04:35:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 04:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 32252@debbugs.gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 25 06:35:23 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fiBWF-0003qv-Dd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2018 06:35:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43960 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fiBYM-0003JT-Be for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:37:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53056) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fiBXt-00038z-K0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:37:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fiBXq-0006kR-KQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:37:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:50924) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fiBXq-0006k2-F9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fiBXq-0006S0-6o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:37:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 04:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32252 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 32252-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32252.153249337924743 (code B ref 32252); Wed, 25 Jul 2018 04:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2018 04:36:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55942 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fiBX9-0006R1-Fw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:36:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33652) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fiBX8-0006Qm-6R for 32252@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:36:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fiBWz-0006Xd-Si for 32252@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:36:12 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44409) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fi9k0-0004F5-Fw; Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:41:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4439 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fi9jz-0001uy-I2; Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:41:27 -0400 In-reply-to: <6f720005-b5e4-5d1c-b4e8-a8992c7635c4@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Tue, 24 Jul 2018 17:50:46 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:148911 Archived-At: > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 17:50:46 -0700 > Cc: 32252@debbugs.gnu.org > > > #x-1 maybe interesting to the read function but it's not interesting to > > humans. Humans want to see #x3fffffffffffffff. > > I doubt very much that most humans really want to see an error-prone notation > like that (can you easily spot the difference between it and > #x3ffffffffffffffff? I can't). I don't know if "most" is accurate, but I'm definitely in that camp. As for counting the number of 'f's, how is that different from counting leading zeros? > And even if some humans did want it, they won't get it on 32-bit > Emacs. I don't see any problem: the user always knows in what Emacs she is running. > This whole idea is a bad approach for Emacs. This bad approach was with us since about forever. It is a de-facto correct behavior by now