From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50936: "(emacs) Help" does say how to find external packages Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2021 16:28:49 +0300 Message-ID: <83ee94euwe.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83mtntdizr.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23696"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 50936@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 01 15:30:41 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWIcb-0005xa-Ex for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 15:30:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56662 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWIcZ-000255-Hm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 09:30:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57240) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWIc0-00023K-2t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 09:30:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43447) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWIbz-0003s1-Rd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 09:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWIbz-0003gq-N4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 09:30:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50936 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50936-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50936.163309495914091 (code B ref 50936); Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:30:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50936) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2021 13:29:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54990 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWIbH-0003fD-8S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 09:29:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51958) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWIbF-0003es-1W for 50936@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 09:29:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35118) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWIb9-0003Hz-Fv; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 09:29:11 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4819 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWIb7-0001y2-BG; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 09:29:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 1 Oct 2021 15:15:26 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216047 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 15:15:26 +0200 > Cc: 50936@debbugs.gnu.org > > > More importantly, I think we should seriously consider whether such > > text has its place in that section. That section is supposed to be a > > cookbook for quickly and efficiently find Emacs features, so it should > > be limited to methods and commands that accurate, in the sense that > > they don't present the user with long lists of potential hits. By > > contrast, list-packages shows a very long list of packages (more than > > 400 as of this writing), which can easily overwhelm the user. Even > > "C-h p" doesn't show such long lists (the longest has 50 items), and > > it is already too long, which is why it's the last in the list of > > recommended methods. > > That's a problem, but there is IMO no way around that as long as Emacs > doesn't bundle packages like php-mode, haskell-mode, eglot or > lsp-mode, markdown-mode, etc. I don't understand the relevance, please elaborate.