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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: larsi@gnus.org, v.pupillo@gmail.com, 55163@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#55163: 29.0.50; master 4a1f69ebca (TICKS . HZ) for current-time broke lsp-mode
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 22:53:31 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ee1facp0.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0a39a220-6298-8ed4-87bd-414702cd9b57@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:38:19 -0700)

> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:38:19 -0700
> Cc: 55163@debbugs.gnu.org, v.pupillo@gmail.com
> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
> 
> On 4/29/22 04:10, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Then why again would we want to come up with new functions for
> > handling timestamps? just because the existing ones have names that
> > make discovery difficult, or are there other reasons?
> 
> I think Lars is saying both, though the other reasons are more important.
> 
> Lars makes a good point that common idioms like 
> (file-attribute-modification-time (file-attributes F)) generate 
> unnecessary garbage. And it's more than just GC overhead: at a lower 
> level, 'statx' on GNU/Linux can be significantly more efficient than 
> plain 'stat' when retrieving just a subset of stat info (such as, just 
> the file timestamp).

This is (almost) unrelated to timestamps.  The same case can be made
about almost every individual file attribute, at least theoretically.

But before we implement a separate primitive for each attribute, we
should ask ourselves: what are the use cases where a Lisp program
would want to use such a primitive.  Taking the file's modification
time as an example, are there any important use cases except
determining if a file is older or newer than another?  Because we
already have a primitive for that.





  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-29 19:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-28 10:53 bug#55163: 29.0.50; master 4a1f69ebca (TICKS . HZ) for current-time broke lsp-mode Vincenzo Pupillo
2022-04-28 12:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-28 13:38   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-28 20:15   ` Paul Eggert
2022-04-28 20:42     ` Vincenzo Pupillo
2022-04-28 21:55       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-28 21:51     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-29  9:54       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-29 10:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-29 10:59           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-29 11:10             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-29 19:38               ` Paul Eggert
2022-04-29 19:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-04-29 22:45                   ` Paul Eggert
2022-04-30  5:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-30  9:10                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-30 10:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-30 20:51                       ` Paul Eggert
2022-05-01  5:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-01 15:00                           ` Paul Eggert
2022-05-01 15:42                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-01 16:17                               ` Paul Eggert
2022-05-01 16:43                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-02 17:27                                   ` Paul Eggert
2022-05-02 17:58                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-02 23:17                                       ` Paul Eggert
2022-05-03  2:32                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-03  2:52                                           ` Paul Eggert
2022-04-30  1:44         ` Paul Eggert
2022-04-30  5:40           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-30 11:21             ` Vincenzo Pupillo
2022-04-30 11:25               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-30 12:32                 ` Vincenzo Pupillo
2022-04-30 12:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-30 13:22                     ` Vincenzo Pupillo
2022-04-30  9:15           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-30 21:03             ` Paul Eggert
2022-05-01  5:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-01 15:08                 ` Paul Eggert

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